mr. barnett, are you with us? you may be muted, mr. barnett. we may have lost mr. barnett, who is obviously the reason we're all here this morning. pause. the courtroom deputy -- "mr. barnett?" the defendant, mr. barnett, "yes." the judge "ah, yes, thank you for joining us again. good morning, mr. barnett. this is judge cooper. can you hear me? the defendant, yes, i can hear you. the judge -- "okay, just like last time, we would obviously usually do this in person, but due to the pandemic, we are proceeding remotely. are you okay with proceeding via telephone this morning? the defendant, "yes, that's fine." the judge "very well. okay, if you could mute your phone unless we need to hear from you, that would be very helpful." the defendant, "okay, i'll mute now." the judge "all right. mr. dohrman or ms. mcclain, where are we?" yes, your honor, so at this time, i believe there is going to be a change in counsel in this case, which means the defendant is changing defense lawyers and they're in the middle of that process happening. the prosecutor says, "i have sent over

mr. barnett, the defendant, mr. barnett, yes, the judge, thank you for joining us again, good morning, mr. barnett. this is judge cooper. can you hear me? the defendant. good morning, yes, i can hear you. the judge, okay, just like last time we would obviously usually do this in person, but due to the pandemic we are proceeding remotely. are you okay with proceeding via telephone this morning? the defendant, yes, that's fine. the judge, okay. very well. if you could mute your phone now, unless we need to hear from you, that would be very helpful. the defendant, okay, i'll mute now. the judge, thank you, sir. then the judge turns to the prosecutors. he says all right ms. dor mand or ms. mcclain, one of the prosecutors says, yes, your honor. so at this time i believe there's going to be a change in counsel in this case, which means the defendant is actually changing his defense lawyers, and they're in the middle of that process happening. prosecutor says, i had sent over to the defense lawyer a proposed protective orde

mr. barnett's concern that his pretrial incarceration is not, quote, fair. >> well, cry me a river is mynitial perhaps not very mature response to what he has to say. does he have a point about our criminal justice system and the way we treat people who, you know, have been charged with a crime but haven't been convicted? there are a whole bunch of issues how long people stay in jail, access to bail, legitimate concerns that people have been working on for decades. i find it very hard to find sympathy for this particular individual who is, you know, suggest to the same criminal justice system that everybody else is dealing with at the moment. so, no, i don't feel sorry for him that he has to sit in jail for a couple of months until his next hearing comes, because that's what everybody at the moment has to do, and he doesn't get special treatment. and i wonder why he thinks he deserves special treatment. >> why does he think he deserves special treatment and as you mentioned and we've covered, there are many problems with pretrial detention, particularly for people who are simply too poor