mr. baroni or miss kelly. charlie: one of them called you as a witness.if i had i would have come. charlie: you would have relished coming? chris: i don't know about that. charlie: you said you had been waiting for three years to make your case, and this would have been in front of everybody under oath to make your case. chris: i have made my case under oath privately. charlie: what does that mean? chris: at the u.s. attorney's office. under oath. for hours. and i would have been happy to go to court and testify. and then there would not have -- would have been seven people who said she was lying. charlie: so in your career back to the question, do you intend to run for office again? chris: we will see. right now i do not. but you never say never in this life. i am 54 years old. i am term limited as governor so my term here will end on january 18 of 2018. will i ever run for anything again is a decision i will make in the future. i will not preclude it. charlie: there are those who will argue like chris christie and bill bradley did not run when they shou

baroni and david wildstein. charlie: here is what the new york times said. mr.istie remained the onstage fill in him a impossible for even casual trial observers to discern from witness after witness the evidence of viciousness and grogginess of the governor and his administration would -- whatever the verdict is, the picture of mr. christie and his administration that has been exposed is devastating. overwhelmed to hear that they have never written a positive editorial about me and seven years. let's consider the source. let's consider the facts and not the hyperbole. this is from the prosecution. in their closing argument, seven different people came into this courtroom and directly theradicted characterizations of the governor and the facts as put forward by bridget kelly. the prosecution said in their closing who are you going to believe, bridget kelly or seven of people who came in here and directly contradicted her? the jury found she was responsible as was mr. baroni. charlie: you do not know motivation. chris: i do not. i have never spoken to them. i can

mr. baroni, do you believe the governor was behind this?> this is the thing, and this is why a day before this happened, there was a ruling made by the judge about the instructions to the jury. and the judge basically said to a question that the jury asked, you did not have to believe that bridget kelly and bill baroni were aware this was a payback scheme as they were carrying out. they didn't have to know all of the details of the nature of this. you just have to know that they were understood, they understood this was not on the up-and-up, what they were doing. the judge when they made the determination, said, you just found them guilty. set the bar so low, that the jury -- the strategy of the defense was that they hoped in the jurors' room, the jurors looked at this and say, why isn't christie the one on trial. why are we getting the underlings? >> let me ask you a logic question. why would they do this if it wasn't for the political purposes of their boss? they're not getting five cents out of this. not any personal gain. nothing out of