mr. bateman, that's what his opinion is. wean in -- supervisor scott weiner: in terms of the murals. i understand you have your warranty and specification, i just don't understand why we can't have specifications for how you paint these boxes. because that to me is probably one of the ultimate compensations to at least make it artistically appealing. >> purely hear say and anecdotally that it's an issue. that is an issue of ours with painting. again, supervisor wiener, that's the stand we have taken. we are happy to talk about other ways that we can beautify but direct paintings on these particular cabinets would null and void our warranty and may risk the equipment inside and i don't want to entertain. supervisor jane kim: i do have to go with supervisor if we are putting trees and asking the owner to maintain it, if that's the argument, if at&t is installing the boxers, at&t does have the responsibility for the landscaping around the boxes that you put in on our right-of-way. but that's clearly a disagreement. i wanted to go back to what you had said earlier about asking the member