mr. baxter? >> again, there are protections in law for transferees who are bona fide purchasers, and have no knowledge that the property they are acquiring has in any way tainted in title or otherwise. and i don't know the facts, congressman, as to what -- >> the purchase had been made after everyone was aware, you got $1.2 billion missing. i mean, i think even the most extraordinarily naÏve person would say there's $1.2 billion missing here somewhere, i wonder why i'm getting such a bargain on this. >> and perhaps mr. kobak is more -- >> all right. >> we have worked in a couple bankruptcy together. oftentimes it's important to liquefy some assets, particularly if the market is declining and those assets are losing value. so you shouldn't jump to the conclusion, congressman, that a sale is necessarily bad for the bankruptcy estate. it wasn't for some of the estates that i acted as liquidator for, and i suspect that jim would agree with me. >> and again, i'm trying to think of customers first, jus