mr. beardsley and mr. furmong have made calls to my office and i've spoken to both of them and the last time i recall speaking to mr. beardsley was in september of 2011. this is not that long after i had maybe been representing mr. simpson for a couple years at that point. i was a little uncomfortable that mr. beardsley, who is a victim in a case and my client is considered the person who victimized him so i did explain to him that i wanted to record the conversation, and he consented and i asked him if he wanted an attorney before he talked to me and he said he was fine. i bring up this recorded conversation because i reviewed it in anticipation of this hearing and that was from 2011, as i stated before, and since he's no longer here, i think i could just speak from the dead -- speak from, you know, someone who's speaking from the dead. he indicated in no uncertain terms in that conversation that he had cleared up this matter with mr. simpson. he was trying his hardest to do whatever you want to get mr. s

mr. beardsley had a set of photos. and these are not memorabilia. mr. simpson, if he didn't make his point already, he could care less about some signed football or signed footballs. that was not what was truly the true impetus for what happened here. what was the true impetus was there were intimate family photos that were taken from him, literally stolen. there's no dispute that they would be -- former family, second family. him and picture of his mother, families celebrities. they probably have no value to most people but have all the value in the world to mr. simpson. mr. beardsley represented that he had these photos and i tried to obtain those intimate family photos that were basically all mr. simpson wanted in the first place. unfortunately mr. beardsley was never able to get those to me. he explained he had them. i tried to make every effort to get those from him. at some point along the line we lost contact and i just discovered that he had passed away. i will speak on his behalf -- >> dan abrams, when you're going through the beginning of this

mr. beardsley was in september of 2011. this was not long after i have been representing for mr. simpson for a couple of years, i was a little uncomfortable that beardsley, who was a victim, was calling me. i explained to him that i wanted to avoid the conversation and he consented and i asked him if he wanted and he was fine. i bring up this conversation because as i stated before, since he is no longer here i think i can speak for someone who is speaking for the dead. he he had indicated that he had cleared up this matter with mr. simpson. he was trying his hardest to do whatever he wanted to get mr. simpson out of prison. he had just -- they had just made it right. mr. simpson had apologized to him. and they had just basically made it right. and he was very very -- he sent letters to mr. simpson. mr. simpson had responded. that was probably on the advice of counsel at the time. and then also there was another issue of, and mr. simpson has raised this issue, and i want to emphasize this again. that mr. beardsly had a set of photos. these are not memorabilia. mr. simpson, if he d

mr. beardsley was never able to get those to me. he explained he had them and i tried to make every effort to get those from him and then at some point along the line we lost contact and then i just discovered he had passed away. but i will speak on mr. beardsley behalf from that phone conversation at least as of september of 2011, him and mr. simpson had made things right. okay? and finally, and again, obviously, the commission is not used to hearing where victims are consulting people who are in prison their attorneys and having multiple conversations with them. i also had mr. fromong, bruce fro morni fromong who will testify shortly called my office, years ago. i can't remember the substance of the conversations. they weren't recorded. if they were i couldn't find them in my files but he's recently called again. he called me july 3rd and july 14th and both times i missed the calls and called him back. i can hear the, that mr. fromong made things -- and mr. simpson have made things right with each other. that he's accepted mr. sim

mr. beardsley had a set of photos, and these are not memorabilia. mr. simpson, if he didn't make his point already, he could care less about some signed football or some signed photos. he could care less about it. he could rip them up and burn them up. i know they mean a lot to a lot of people but that was not what was really the true impetus for what happened here. what was the true impetus was that there were intimate family photos that were taken from him, literally stolen, and there is no dispute that these would not be any type of judgment, collections, these are just intimate family photos. mr. simpson had a former family. he had a second family. there's pictures of him with his mother and other things, famous celebrities, and they were not subject to being taken -- they probably have no value to most people, but they have all the value in the world to mr. simpson. they're not footballs. and that's what set it up. and mr. beardsley had these photos or at least represented to me on the phone that he had these photos and i had made every effort that

mr. beardsley passed away in 2015. mr. beardsley and mr.nd the last time i recall speaking to mr. beardsley was in september of 2011. this is not that long after i maybe had been representing mr. simpson for a couple years at that point. i was uncomfortable that mr. beardsley who was a victim in the case and my client is considered the person who victimized him was calling me. i did explain i wanted to record the conversation. i asked him if he wanted an attorney before he talked to me. he said fine. he indicated in no uncertain terms in that conversation that he had cleared up this matter with mr. simpson. he was trying his hardest to do to get mr. simpson out of prison. and they had made it right. mr. simpson had apologized to him, and they had sent letters to mr. simpson, and mr. simpson responded, and that was on counsel at the time. and also, there was another issue of -- and mr. simpson has written, and i want to emphasize this again. that he had a set of photos, and these are not memorabilia. mr. simpson, if he didn't make his point

mr. beardsley's behalf that has of september, 2012 2011 him and mr. simpson made things right. and another example of victims calling the attorney for a person sitting in prison, bruce called my office, he called many years ago and we spoke, i can't remember the substance of the conversations, they were not recorded or if they were i could not find them. he called me on july 3rd and also on july 14th. i missed the calls but i called him back, i can hear that he and mr. simpson have made things right with each other. he accepted mr. simpson's apology whole heartedly. he seems to be a fundamentally really, really good guy who fell on hard times recently and he said he would be coming in and testifying favorably for mr. simpson. i made sure i told him to stay whatever he wanted to say, because obviously mr. simpson's attorney talking to a victim could be interrupted the wrong way. so say whatever you want to say, no one is telling you how to testify here, and i did inform parole and probation about both of those conversations on july 3rd and july 14th. that was a small portion of

mr. beardsley was in september of 2011. i was representing mr. simpson for a few years at that point, i was uncomfortable that the person considered a victim in my client's case was contacting me. i asked if i could record the conversation, and i asked if he wanted an attorney, and i bring this up because i reviewed it in anticipation of this hearing, and it was from 2011 as i stated before. and since he is no longer here, i think i speak for someone speaking from the dead, he indicated in no uncertain terms in that conversation that he learned up th cleared up the matter with mr. simpson. he was doing whatever he could to get mr. simpson out of prison, and mr. simpson had apologized, they made it right, he sent letters and mr. simpson responded. and also there was another issue of -- and mr. simpson raised this issue. he had a set of photos, and these are not memorabilia. mr. simpson if he didn't make the point already, he could care less about a signed football or signed photo. i knowhe

mr. beardsley who has since passed away. your thoughts on the outcome? >> i'm not surprised at all. the way this parole board looked at the whole case with blinders on. the only thing considered was oj's behavior while he was in custody. if they had considered the risk to the public based upon his history and a court of law, based upon his going 13 years before he committed another violent takeover robbery, this man poses as a tremendous risk to the public. there's no way he should have been let out. he was and now the reality is, he's going to go back to entertainment, reality shows. making a lot of money. i agree with the previous gentlemen. he's not going to last long on the streets. it will be up 1-2 years before he's back behind bars and we will be talking about this again, martha. >> martha: do you agree with that? >> i disagree. i'm not and oj fan but she had nine years of good behavior. he's been a model prisoner. david is wrong and he knows that. they're only supposed to consider the criminal convictions of this man. they did. the one he was found guilty on that he didn't e

mr. beardsley behalf from that phone conversation at least september 2011, him and mr. simpson had made things right. okay? and finally, and, again, obviously the commission is not used to hearing where victims are calling people who are in prison their attorneys and having multiple conversations with them. i've also had bruce sitting right here to my left and will testify shortly. he's also called my office. he had called before many years ago, and we had spoken. i can't necessarily remember the substance of those conversations. they weren't recorded. if they were, i can't find them in my files. but he's recently called again. he called on july 3rd, and he called me on july 14th. and both times i missed the call, but i called him back. and i can hear the -- that they have made things right with each other. that he has accepted mr. simpson's apology wholeheartedly. he seems to be a fundamentally really, really good guy who's falling on some hard times recently. and he told me that he would be calling and coming in and testifying favorably for mr. simpson. i made sure i

mr. beardsley, we had long talks back then, he told me that he had tried to call my lawyer and testified in court that he had called my lawyers and tried to tell them in the months previous that guys had my property and they were trying to sell them but my lawyer never called him back. he actually testified for me, i'm sure you know, during the trial. bruce and i talked and bruce was traumatized by it. fortunately, as i said, we talked it out. he knew that i would have never condoned what happened he accepted my apology and i told him that these guys should be put in jail if they did that, you know, i wasn't going to defend them. unfortunately, they got a get out of free jail card when they said o.j. told me. nothing i could do about that. but i want to point out that, you know, bruce -- i know his family his mother was terminally ill. i would call her and sing to her. the night before or the night of my -- the jury's verdict, his son actually called me and tried to give me a head up on something to do with memorabilia and told me that he and his mother was cheering for me this family kn