mr. beardsly is no longer with us, he passed away in 2015, but they have both made calls to my office and i spoke to them both at various points, and the last time i component to mr. beardsley was in september of 2011. i was representing mr. simpson for a few years at that point, i was uncomfortable that the person considered a victim in my client's case was contacting me. i asked if i could record the conversation, and i asked if he wanted an attorney, and i bring this up because i reviewed it in anticipation of this hearing, and it was from 2011 as i stated before. and since he is no longer here, i think i speak for someone speaking from the dead, he indicated in no uncertain terms in that conversation that he learned up th cleared up the matter with mr. simpson. he was doing whatever he could to get mr. simpson out of prison, and mr. simpson had apologized, they made it right, he sent letters and mr. simpson responded. and also there was another issue of -- and mr. simpson raised this issue. he had a set of photos, and these are not memorabilia. mr. simpson if he didn't make the point