mr. bellar. >> chair ronen: okay. but miss berry did speak very well on his behalf. so i'm wondering what you -- what you think. >> supervisor mar: actually, i did have a question about mr. bellars application, as well. maybe it's for the -- i'm sorry. i forget your name. -- about the administrator for the board. he seems to be the only one that's being considered that's not an incumbent, is that correct? >> i believe so, yes. >> supervisor mar: and i wanted to see if he meets sort of the minimum qualifications? >> i believe according to his application, i don't think we would have submitted it to the rules committee if he didn't meet the qualifications. i believe he also -- i don't have his applications -- oh, here, i do. he is a licensed california real estate appraiser. he did submit his form 700, and he did submit a copy of his real estate license from the bureau of real estate appraisers. so it has an effective date of september 17 and an expiration date of 2019. i do believe the qualificati