mr. benmosche was on our show in march. he said listen, i am confident that the government can make a profit of what, $5 to $10 billion, and at the time he said it, we were kind of chuckling because it seemed to be inconceivable. >> sure. >> but it worked. >> it did work. and again, that's a credit to his efforts and all the people at aig who have worked very hard to restructure the company, to de-risk the company and to pare it down, as well as to the overall strategy. again, it's because the government acted. >> right. >> with incredible speed and overwhelming force when confronted with the financial crisis. you know, we did the aig investment. we did the bank investments. there was a money fund guarantee. we did a whole range of actions, again, across both a republican and democratic administration. that's why the strategy was successful. that's why we've been able now to recover almost all the funds we expended under t.a.r.p. and when you look at all the interventions as a whole, t.a.r.p., what the treasury otherwise di