mr. berman. and we will give three minutes to mr. royce, the chairman of the subcommittee on terrorism, nonproliferation and trade. >> thank you, madam chairman. mr. berman was just talking about the magnitude of the human rights abuses there. in terms of the sheer numbers, this is the worst human rights abuser on the planet today. for november us in these hearings who heard the testimony or met up with detectors in china or in south korea, it is truly appalling. now, when you think about the cost of this launch, at least a half a billion dollar cost to this launch, i've been in north korea, there's no way that regime could squeeze pennies out of the populous in north korea. to get this hard currency requires, for the most part, a funding source outside the country. frankly, if china were bothered by north korea's icbms, if it were bothered by north korea's dual track nuclear program, it would stop subsidizing them. it would stop funding these operations. a portfolios tackling north korea's elicit activities which brings money outsid

mr. berman of california, for his opening statement.

mr. berman is recognized. >> thank you very much, madam chairman. while each of you emphasize different issues, the panel doesn't seem like it's a clash of approaches. you said something that caught my attention that there are sanctioned entities openly doing business in china. did i hear that right? and if i did, does that say something about a presidential statement which talks about expanding the sanction then to these not being worth a lot? is that the implication of what you're saying? >> i have seen the photos japanese photo journalists have taken of the trading company on the sanctions list open. you know, the sign up. the chinese are not implement, the sanctions. i don't think theed a anyone strags would say they are. in the security council they're blocking any effort to add new entities or do any sort of further steps. >> i thought the presidential statement -- >> the presidential statement was interesting. china did have a clear on it. and it did reference examining new entities. that was a positive element. now we've got to follow up on

mr. berman. and thank you.ll give moments on nonproliferation and trade. >> we were just talking about the magnitude of the human abuse rights in terms of numbers. this is the worst human rights abuser on the planet today. for any of us in these hearings who have heard the testimony or met up with the defectors in china or south korea, it is truly appalling. now, when you think about the cost of this launch, at least a half billion dollar cost to this launch, i've been in north korea. there is no way that regime could squeeze pennies out of the populace in north korea. to get this hard currency, it requires -- for the most part, a funding source outside of the country. frankly, if china were bothered by north korea's icbms, if it were bothered by north korea's dual czech nuclear program, it would stop subsidizing them. it would stop funding these operations. a policy of tackling north korea's illicit activities, which brings money from outside the country, which it is the sale of methamphetamines or heroine, or

mr. berman? do you see the stakes that way for the book, the world of books as well as the industry? >> well, people have more choice and amazon's market share has gone down becausethere's n price competition. so, yes, if there's no price competition there will be more players out there but there's nothing wrong with being a monopolist and if amazon could gain a monopoly share by offering the lowest price and consumers want the lowest price they're allowed under the law to do so. if they abuse that monopoly share and drive everyone out of the market-- which is one of the threats people claim our lawsuit is overlooking-- and they drive everyone out of the market by raising prices people will enter and compete if apple rses prices too hig they rai pices too high they can be sued for abusing the monopoly power. so the answer is not simply to allow apple and the publishers to fix prices, that's just not allowed under the law and it hurts consumers paying for books. that's the bottom line the other side can't answer. >> pelley: steve berman and becky anderson. thanks so much. >> woodruff:

mr. berman. mr. royce is recognized. >> i'm going to pass for a moment, madam chair. >> mr. burton. >> thank you, madam chairman. i'm sorry i was a little late. we had another committee hearing but this is most important. that failed rocket launch cost $850 million, they estimate. and i have it before me a report that says that would have blocked 2.5 million tons of corn, enough for the north korean government to feed millions of its people. and why did they launch that when they knew that was a direct violation of the leap day agreement? it's like, you know, they said that they were going to have a hiatus on -- let's see -- halt nuclear tests, missile tests and allow the national international energy agency, iaea, back in the country after a three-year hiatus. did that and turned around and launched a missile, how do you deal with that? you say we try to negotiate with them. every time we negotiate with them they turn around and stick us in the ear. that's the first question. the second question, in 2012 we had -- we -- we've had both congressional and presidential election

mr. berman, for seven minutes each for our opening statements, i will recognize the chairman and the ranking member of the subcommittee on asia and the pacific for three minutes, followed by one-minute statements from each committee members who wish to speak. we will then hear from our witnesses and i would ask that you summarize your prepared statements to five minutes each before we move to the question and answers with members under the five-minute rule. without objection, the prepared statements of all of our witnesses will be made a part of the record, and members may have five legislative days in which to insert statements and questions for the record subject to the length limitations in the rules. the chair now recognizes herself for seven minutes. today we will examine the up tumultuous events that have again consumed the korean peninsula. in a sense, negotiating with north korea is similar to the endless repetition presented in the film "groundhog day." withdrawal from negotiations is followed by provocative action. next there is a wooing by the united states and its allies with con

mr. berman and i thank the witnesses. thank you for your excellent testimony. sorry about messing up the order and totally dizzing dr. crohnan there at the end. my apologies. thank you very much. the committee is adjourned. >>> in a few moments, a hearing on consumer choices in online video. in two hours, an economic speech by mexican president felipe calderon. after that, the senate banking committee continues its investigation into the mf global bankruptcy. and later, a hearing on the new leadership in north korea. >>> one of the things that i always remember because my office overlooked the building in the plaza was the plaza -- there was a day care center in the plaza. of course, some of the children were killed. others injured. but during their recess period, they would always come play out here in the plaza, and you would hear their voices. and so that left a lasting impression, of course, when they were silenced. my son, a dear friend of his in high school, she had just graduated and was working in the social security office and her father was a good fri

mr. berman's point about elevating the discussion of human rights in this whole dialogue, do you think it would be helpful if that became sort of a strategic comparative. nowhere on the planet are people as ground down from what i saw. and if you read the reports out of the, let's call them work camps or concentration camps in terms of people being worked to death there, really i think would be ben if ishl if there was greater understanding on that front. and second, we now have broadcasting into north korea. how about a little bit more robust radio free asia broadc t broadcasting on what's actually going on in the country. for example, the last question i'll ask you here to comment on is this admission on the part of the north korean regime that the launch was a bust. now, that's the first time to my knowledge that you had an official mention of that. how about broadcasting out the cost of the launch, you know? three-quarters of a billion or more. the cost of that launch. and then, the privations that people face, the conditions in north korea, and make the connections for people, becaus

mr. berman was just talking about the magnitude of the human rights abuses there. in terms of the sheer numbers, this is the worst human rights abuser on the planet today. for any of us in these hearings to have heard the testimony or met up with defectors in china or south korea, it is a truly appalling. when you think about the cost of this launch, at least a half billion dollar cost of this launch. i have been in north korea. there is no way that regime could squeeze pennies out of the populace in north korea to get this hard-currency -- it requires for the most part, a funding source outside the country. frankly, if china were rather by north korea's icbm's, if it were bothered by north korea's new will track nuclear program, it would stop subsidizing them. it would stop funding these operations. a policy it tackling north korea's illicit activities which brings money from outside the country, whether the sale of a mess and heroin, they do a lot of that, or the sale of -- whether the sale of meth and heroin, that is the way to weaken the regime. as we will hear

mr. berman? do you see the stakes that way for the book, the world of books as well as the industry?well, people have more choice and amazon's market share has gone down because there's no price competition. so, yes, if there's no price competition there will be more players out tre but there's nohingrong with being a monopolist and if amazon could gain a monopoly share by offering the lowest price and consumers want the lowest price they're allowed under the law to do so. if they abuse that monopoly share and drive everyone out of the market-- which is one of the threats people claim our lawsuit is overlooking-- and they drive everyone out of the market by raising prices people will enter and compete if apple raises prices too high. if they raise prices too high they can be sued for abusing the monopoly power. so the answer is not simply to alw apple d the plishers to f prices, that's just not allowed under the law and it hurts consumers paying for books. that's the bottom line the other side can't answer. >> pelley: steve berman and becky anderson. thanks so much. >> woodruff: and

mr. berman. the chair: the gentleman is recognized for two minutes. mr. berman: thank you, mr. chairman. i rise in strong support of the peters amendment. without this amendment, the bill will undermine the protections currently in place for wild species under the endangered species act and the marine mammal protection act. in this case, the hunters who chose to kill these polar bears knew they were taking a risk. they had good information that polar bears would be listed as an endangered, threatened species under the endangered species act, and acted contrary to it. they were repeatedly warned by federal agencies and hunting associations that the final listing would cut off imports immediately and they had well over a year's notice. despite this knowledge, hunters still chose to shoot and kill polar bears at a time when the species faced severe hardship and legal protections were imminent. we should not encourage a small group of people to take conscious risk and then turn around and ask congress for relief. if we pass this bill without the peters amendment, we are in effect t

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mr. berman and donley thank the witnesses. thank you for your excellent testimony. sorry about messing up the order and totally descanting dr. krone and at the end. my apologies. thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen for joining us, and the committee is adjourned. >>> the soldiers started telling me that the u.s. government was wasting tens of billions of dollars on totally mismanage the development and logistics contracts. >> i was in a meeting where the brigade commander incredibly -- colonel mike howard this isn't long after president obama took office, and the state department was out there saying okay we are going to give you a bunch of development money. counterinsurgency. we are going to do this. and he said don't send any more money. send contract officers to oversee this stuff. i need people, i don't need more money. >>> this year's student kim competition asked students across the country but part of the constitution was important to them and why. today's second prize winners selected article 5. >> i am here in front of the national archives in washing

. >> lawrence sill berman served as the undersecretary of labor during the nixon administration. mr. silberman discusses that era and osha. up next are excerpts from his interview. >> it's july 31, 2009 in washington, d.c. and i have the honor and privilege to interview judge laurence silberman. tell me how derek bach got you to hawaii. >> i was going to clerk for a federal district judge in newark and come to a law firm in washington the following year. derek had recommended me to this federal judge. i was particularly interested in practicing labor law, and this federal judge had been roosevelt's labor counsel and it was well-known. his name is minden laurel, two weeks before i was to arrive as a law clerk, he died, which left me with a wife, two children, and no job for a year because my arrangement with the washington firm was the following year, and they had no opening immediately. derek found me in the library, i believe, at the business school where i was writing a paper, and asked whether i'd be willing to go to hawaii. the only other alternative at the time, which sort of i