mr. biffen and it is very clear from the correspondence we have seen. everyone must look at the damage to thompsons, that had a 12- month strike from the unions during which time they had paid the journalists fully, and as soon as the printers came back, the journalists went out for three months and they become very, very embittered. >> there was a debate in the house of commons on the 27th of january, the following day. unsurprisingly, there is a great deal of concern expressed eloquently in particular by mr. john smith, the late mr. smith who was the shadow dti minister. they were making the point, quite strongly, that you look to to the sunday times by itself that it was a growing concern and it was quite artificial, as mr. biffen was doing, it just to look at the 11 months of 1980 and refused to look at likely future performance in 1982 and '83. do you understand that? >> i understand what you're saying, yes. >> presumably you, mr. murdoch, who would be interested in the long term perspective, were doing that very calculations. in other words, you w