mr. blackshaw, can we count upon pscs to self report? >> that is a difficult question to answer. >> cannot start with the answer know before we get into the explanation? can we count on this? >> in many securities scenarios, we almost have no choice. >> i did not ask on whether it was a choice. can we count on them to reliably self report civilian casualties and weapons discharges? this is my second time to get this is our no answer. >> i am not sure. >> you think is quite possible that we can reliable -- when the report 0, 0, 0 and hundreds and hundreds of their reports? >> it is a question i cannot answer. >> i'll take my time. ms. lamb, you are professional in this field. i know you are doing diplomatic service and you have made remarkable reforms. and in some of your areas, if you have df agents were you have a radical -- credible reforms. a lot of the pscs do not have this kind of scrutiny. can we count on private security contractors to reliable report all their civilian casualties and all of their weapons discharges? >> if you cat

mr. blackshaw had to do, you do not have to do, correct? >> i would hope not. >> ok, then do not him and hall. because mr. blackshaw was forced here and there, do you folks at aid contract security personnel? >> no. >> you do not contract at all? >> overseas, no. >> when usaid people go into the field, who protect them? >> either diplomatic security or contractors funded by security. >> so, your people are essentially protected by contractors and nobody else. >> there may be occasions when eight people travel within the country -- when a id people travel to the country. our partners may have the contract for the security force. >> could you identify partners? >> [unintelligible] >> and they provide security for your personnel. >> on occasion, that may occur. >> how do you overseeing the performance of those people that are providing protection for your people on occasion? >> the requirements for their performance would be under the contract. >> and how do you overseeing the review of those contracts given that it is your people's lives at s

mr. blackshaw, i'm sure that you are a valued government employee. i've never seen my role -- so many qualifiers about what you can and cannot talk about. i realize that senior officials that can talk about it, having worked the government side all my life and participated in testimony for a couple of decades, that each word is crafted to be consistent with the agency's intent. but when you say your testimony clarifies middle management roles and answers questions and a limited role and things like that, i realize that when we coordinated with usaid, we said we wanted mrs. lamb's counterpart. she is a senior policy official that can speak for the state department. we didn't get that with usaid. is going to impact the kind of questions we will as, because ultimately, you will take back -- very early on in my career, i went to a couple of hearings and to say just like it was, they said, do not mess up, and i was at all levels. i am not looking for comment. what i am looking for is for you to take back our disappointment that state department put you in