mr. blalock? >> we do have a role at omb in the isdc and i think we need to work, i take it as a commitment we need to work to get that report in, sir. >> with mr. rind any's response and mr. blalock's response, did you get a sense that maybe you guys need to get together a little and work out responsibilities? because the sense i have is that neither mr. rindner or mr. blalock feel like it is their responsibility. and the question i'm asking is, is there been some helpful information here that will enable you to kind of sort this problem out for us? and i'll give you the analogy. when we had the hearing with dcaa and dcma, we realized we were ships passing in the night. that is what i feel is happening right here. do you have a sense some of this is occurring? >> are you asking me, sir. >> yes, sir. >> chairman shays, i will tell you i think the isdc provides a very valuable opportunity for us not to be ships passing in the night. i've been in the meetings. they were very valuable place to exchan

mr. blalock. mr. fiore, and then we will take questions. >> chairman shays, chairman thibault, distinguished numbers of the commission, thank you for the opportunity to provide testimony before you here today on this important issue of contractor accountability. i served as the drug of soldier and family legal services from the office of the judge advocate general of the department of army. since october 2008 i also serve as the department of the army suspension and debarment official. the army follows a suspension and debarment regulatory processes set forth in the federal acquisition regulation, subpart 9.4. pursuant to the regulation, an agency may suspend, debar are otherwise declared ineligible certain contractors in order to protect the interests of the government on behalf of the public. suspension and debarment are prospected remedies in which past misconduct for unsatisfactory performance provides the context and insight to the contractors present and future responsibility. contractors are su

mr. blalock. >> okay. but you contacted in? >> i did but i never actually have spoken with them, but i have contacted him and i've never heard back from him. >> he is here today. he is on our second panel. if you would make a point to meet with mr. blalock after hitting to open up dialogue, i would like to introduce the two of you. >> thank you. >> mr. carroll come you said, you used the word on suspension and debarment deferrals, the ig's make to the procurement house, you said you were frankly quote frustrated that you are making referrals, but the agency wasn't acting on them. what happened to them? them? did they go into a blackhole? was there ever a revolution on them? >> well, to use your term and to the black hole, if we're not going to get a criminal prosecution, then it comes back administratively. we refer to the agency. the agency will take some particular action. when they take that action they get back to us and we close the case. so it's not -- >> that action may be -- >> it could be they chose not to act. that co