mr. bolten: there was. we were particularly concerned a terrorist attack during the actual inauguration. it is a moment of really extraordinary peril in this country, if you think about it, because so much of the government actually moves. in other systems, a key people at the top move around, but most of the government remains in place. in our system, the top few thousand leaders in government actually replaced in a transition, especially in a transition between parties where basically everybody who used to be there is out all at the same moment. it is not like it is sort of a low process of one month a few people, and, the next month more people, and so on. it is new on january 20 every four years that the people who have been in charge suddenly have no authority anymore. they are done. you are out. your batch does not work. you cannot get back into your office. nobody either expects to or should follow your instructions of all the people that worked for you. so, it is a very abrupt change , and the new p

mr. bolten: that was a lesson learned. i think we spent a lot of time on the cabinet which pays big dividends. mr. mclarty: not only did we had the collegial cooperative cabinet, they gave us great advice and were able to amplify , and you know this from your time in the obama administration amplify the president's message , and a pretty impactful way both in the country, internationally and on the hill in congress. i think the real point about transitions, david you have been such a part of it, have really gotten in an understated way -- understanding way how critical it is to have early, developed, engaged transition efforts that are on a separate track from the presidential campaign and that will help and is key to getting the white house staff in place in addition to the other positions of government. mr. bolten: can i underscore what he just said, because that is crucially important that the environment that the white house transition project has created, the partnership for public service has created, the legislation