mr. bradberry just bradbury-- that mr. the granded, journey subpoenas a flight manifest, that is not anywhere near the scope of the program we are talking about here. i can say with confidence and i am sure that everyone on this panel will agree with me, there is no subpoena out there or case out there in which any court has approved surveillance on this scale. this takes us across a new frontier. this is orders of magnitude broader than any surveillance that has ever been approved under a civil or criminal subpoena. >> a quick follow-up. this panel is focused on the alleged legality of the programs. if your argument is not that each individual record collects itself to be relevant, what line drawing exercise would you engage in? >> i do not think it is possible to set out a line with any more clarity than to refer to relevance. the surprising thing is that the court does not surprise -- the surprising thing is not that the court is providing a relevant standard, the surprising thing is it isn't. the court has approved the