host: mr. brill? guest: when i heard you begin to ask the question, i thought maybe we should have something on our website or some link to some of the very good material that some of the media literacy groups are publishing that are primaries in how to -- primers in how to read stories and look for fakery. so i think that's a pretty good idea. host: who are some of those media literacy groups that you look to for guidance in what you're doing? guest: well, they're cropping up all over the place. the center at the kennedy school is working on this. i'm going to get in trouble because i'm going to screw up their name. i think it's literally the media literacy group news literacy. there are all kinds of groups associated sometimes around some of the educational institutions and some of them are independent nonprofits that have been doing this for a long time. and the original mandate that they took on was to help middle school kids and high school kids, you know read stuff more discerningly. now that's

host: brill mr. -- mr. brill? guest: i am in the middle. background of myself and everyone involved will be completely transparent so you understand who we are. i have the good fortune or the bad fortune in the journalism work i have done -- i have been criticized by unions on the left and by drug and from a single companies on the right. i think i can say i am in the middle, but that is really not the point. this is probably the one conversation where c-span doesn't need the republican line and the democratic line. simply basic common sense and truth. the sites that are going to get the red are so blatantly propagandistic or blatantly deceptive, the judgments we are making are going to be far less disputed and controversy of then -- controversy oh then you might think. yet it is a major problem. people, again, do not know that rt is vladimir putin's propaganda arm. host: i wonder how you feel about the criticism you have received over this venture. whosedia research center, tagline is exposing and combating liberal media bias, did a writeu

mr. zuckerburg will testify energy and house commerce committee and live coverage begins at 10:00 a.m. eastern on c-span 3. ussteven brill is back with on the washington jurn until and discussthis morning to the latest venture newsguard. journalism toe fight fake news. steven brill, define that term us. fact news. >> guest: well, i our case, what to solve is news that reports to be news that fabricated ors