mr. brock: having been in the right-wing, but the difference is it was much more of a ragtag operation in the 90's versus what we see today. it is much more sophisticated. we know all about the incredible amount of money the koch brothers are willing to put down in the selection to defeat hillary clinton. it is such a big number. we saw the republicans last weekend where they were out there competing for the affections of the koch brothers. with that kind of money being spent, whoever the candidate on the republican side is coming they will be beholden to the koch brothers in their agenda. they probably didn't plan for the frontrunner to be a billionaire himself, someone they cannot control. secretary mcdonald: you are the most vocal defendant of hillary clinton. which is going to be a full-time job. at this moment, are you more irritated with fox news or the new york times? mr. brock: the new york times. easy question. look, -- mike: you have been complaining about the new york times. their co

mr. brock: having been in the right-wing, but the difference is it was much more of a ragtag operation in the 90's versus what we see today. it is much more sophisticated. we all about the incredible amount of money the coat brothers are willing to put down in the selection to defeat hillary clinton. it is such a big number. we solidly republicans. -- solid the republicans last weekend where they were out there competing for the affections of the koch brothers. with that kind of money being spent, whoever the candidate on the republican side is coming they will be beholden to the koch brothers in their agenda. they probably didn't plan for the frontrunner to be a billionaire himself, someone they cannot control. secretary mcdonald: you are the most vocal defendant of hillary clinton. at this moment, are you more irritated with fox news or the new york times? mr. brock: the new york times. easy question. look, -- mike: you have been complaining about the new york times. their coverage of an inve

mr. brock the new york times. easy question. look, -- mike: you have been complaining about the new york times. their coverage of an investigation of e-mails. what if they just made a mistake? institutions in general have been making mistakes all the time. there are a couple issues. one, it is not the first time. there is a pattern. the first e-mail story they broke was botched and they had to walk back from the second thing is the way they handled it is questionable. readers still don't know thinks about how this went down. i think the issue is how did this happen? in the case of 60 minutes, when they botched the story, there was internal investigations. there is no review going on at the new york times as i am aware of. the sourcing is questionable. we were very heavy on right-wing media but people don't have to take my word for it. is reality we are living in there out to get hillary clinton and to elevate her opponent. that is the dynamic we are living with and it is not just mistakes are g

mr. brock: i don't have any worries. mr. allen: you would begin first person in politics, and certainly the first dozen in the clinton camp to do so. mr. brock: there are things that are under your control in a campaign. sphere, we are seeing that she is doing swimmingly. but something in your control can go wrong. you can make mistakes and make a bad decision. if the question is, is there something that they are going to do to her that will make a difference, i find that unlikely. that is just having studied this on both sides. remove her that is an clinton won reelection twice in the face of these phony scandals. we have seen this strategy. mr. allen: the fact that she is so well-known. the most clearly defined person in history of american politics. is that an advantage or a vulnerability? mr. brock: it could be both. the problem would come in in that theyople believe know hillary clinton and yet they don't, there is an awful lot in her 30 year public record that people don't know a lot about. i think that will come out i

mr. secretary, thank you for a fantastic conversation. >> thank you, mike. [applause] >> and now david brockfor coming out. appreciate it very much. so this is the big day and david brock is our debate day guest. david who founded correct the record who is sort of the embodiment of the left wing. >> in some ways. i make them having been in the right wing and being a very early part of what hillary clinton eventually quickly identified as the right wing conservative. but the difference is that with much more of a ragtag operation back in the '90s and what we see today the atlantic magazine referred to as a right wing conglomerate. we all know about the incredible amount of money they're willing to put down in this election to defeat hillary clinton. it's such a big number, different times, not just degree i think. we saw all the republicans. there will be a debate tonight that the more important debate maven last week in whether other competing for the affections of the koch brothers. bottom line is with that kind of money being spent i think that whoever the candidate on the republican side