mr. brosdz said and i appreciate john's comments that we should stick to the historic issues here. it seems to me that in the code we as the hpc are required to provide a recommendation on whether the proposed use would enhance the feasibility of preserving the historic property and yet how would we know that in anyway even though the staff says it's so or there is some economic of presentation of materials that will allow us to understand that. i'm wondering in the structure report is there anything about numbers? >> tim frye department staff. at this time no, i think what we would do is similar to what commissioner john's mentioned is two components that come together to provide a full picture. we can certainly ask for economic data to support the proposal. it would be similar, i would estimate it would be similar to how the mills act is run because we ask for not only a preservation and maintenance plan but we also ask for quotes for how expensive would it be to do that work. we can do something very similar in this case. >> can i ask this. mr. skree is here and he worked on har