mr. brower, are you an engineer. and he said no, sir, i am an editor. that encapsulate quite a lot about it. he went on to explain that as an editor at the university of california press, just down the way, in fact, very near to where we are right now, the original press in those days anyway. he explained that you are trained to be skeptical and look for things in the manuscript and try to find the weaknesses and ask the questions and point out the contradictions and so on. while trying to make it better. not trying to fight with the authors, but hope the authors and take them at their story. he did that about everything. he would take stuff at face value, he wanted to investigate and understand and analyze and see if what was being sold was the whole story. and this broadened, it started off as a sierra club mountain games and stuff and moved by supersonic transport when we got kicked out of this year -- the sierra club, we push the horizons of the environment movement wider. nuclear power came to be examined and found to be wanting, and you could go o