mr. buckston and ms. swan, thanks for coming in. >>> public safety. number of people locked in california years has dropped significantly due largely to sweeping criminal justice reform governor brown calls re-alignment. away from prisons toward county jails and. measure decriminalized other offenses and put another dent. joining me now is coauthor of report, mia byrd. welcome. one of the goals of re-alignment is reduce recidivism, that churn of prisoners going from prison to the streets and back again for parole violations. what impact has re-alignment had on that? >> rearrest and reconviction rates about the same as before. >> and same kind of offenses? why isn't the rate coming down? >> i don't think we're ready to conclude it isn't working. only looking at those released if prison so far and large segment of the re-alignment population held locally and experiencing more of the local treatment. those are folks just starting to look at recidivism rates. >> i would assume the population in county jails is drifting upwards. what are you seeing? >> rig