the record definitively establishes that had not happened but because mr. bulla remained council in a much more meaningful way than my friend suggests. >> council, could you tell me -- i'm assuming you have practiced and your staff for a while. >> yes, your honor. >> how frequent is it in the alabama capital system the local council take the lead bring or even an active participation and the defense or actions of a capitol defendant? the emmy's i hear sisterly they did but mr. butler did commit this the admission of the volunteer attorneys. is that your experience? >> your honor, of course that affirmation is not in the record we respectfully disagree as a factual matter with the factual assertions made by the med on that front. >> you have to send it back. i guess it would have to sit with the religious. what about a rule that says we are, in fact, attorneys to abandon the client and local attorney does, as a matter of practice in the stayed virtually do nothing except facilitate foreign representation and with the state had cause to believe, cause to believe th