mr. van tatenhove, can you help us understand who the oath keepers are. >> i can, thank you. >> my time with the oath keepers began back at bundye hope mine standoff. it was at that time i was offered a job as national media director and associate editor for the web page. so i spent a few years with the oath keepers, and i can tell you that they may not like to call themselves a militia, but they are. they are a violent militia, and they are largely stewart rhodes. and i think rather than try to use words, i think the best illustration for what the oath keepers are happened january 6th when we saw that stacked military formation going up the stairs of our capitol. i saw radicalization that started with my beginning of my time with them and continued over a period of time as the member base and who it was that stewart rhodes was courting drifted further and further right into the alt-right world into white nationalists, and straight up racists. and it came to a point where i could no longer continue to work for them, but the oath keepers are a dangerous militia that is in large part fed by the ego and drive of stewart rhodes who