so when mr. salton burke, for example, the st. vision of nato in brussels, said that nato needs to project itself into the ingo pacific region. i say what, you know, i, i don't understand this, this is not the north atlantic, is it? yeah, well i, it's go to our guest in beijing. i know i me, when i heard the same thing from the, the head of the, of nato. i mean, i was trained as a historian, modern european history, which includes the imperial period in colonization. and so europe wants to return to the, the pacific. i mean, the, it, you know, a history doesn't repeat, but there is an echo there. i mean, if i were beijing i, i wouldn't like that again. sounds very jingo, a stick to me. and particularly since china is in what asia go ahead in beijing. well, nato has been looking for some sure destiny. and the absence when the, when the wall fell, i mean they really, it's just plain inertia that they're still there. i mean, it's a real question about what they think they can do in such a place. i mean, it's not a naval power. it's a