mr. burkhardt? >> well, the -- on the natural gas side, prices are quite low because of this revolution and shale gas production. but what we're seeing is more companies shift towards liquids or producing oil. and one of the factors that's influencing the pace of investment is the rise in costs, finding the right people, the right equipment. there's not a limitless supply. there's, in fact, a missing generation of folks in the petroleum industry because from about 1986 to earlier this decade, oil prices were low. the industry was consolidating. there weren't many people entering the industry at that time. and as prices have risen, oil prices have risen. and activity has picked up particularly in this country. there's been a great deal of pressure in finding the right people and getting the right equipment to the right places. so that's a significant challenge. >> so the testimony this morning, that's interesting, you all talked about the fact that because there is both wet gas and oil in some of the