mr. buscovich. i even called him after the e-mail and said i don't have time because i need everybody involved so we can all look at this thing. >> did you say to them that because they appealed this case, you weren't going to work with them anymore? >> with all due respect, again, every meeting that i had, even that meeting was in open public. so multiple people heard our conversation even to the point that -- >> my question is did you say that? >> no, i never said that, sir. >> i mean, my question, joe, is there's an allegation that cooperating with d.b.i. has not been possible, and that they're saying we want to do it exactly what the board seems to be headed, the direction the board seems to be headed. you are saying we want to do what the board wants as well, and yet it hasn't happened. and i don't understand it. and i don't understand who to believe and maybe it doesn't matter. we'll just continue it and we'll work it out. they might come back and say they still won't work with us, they are th