mr. calabrese graduated from harvard and law degree from georgetown. finally, ms. espinel, president and ceo, the software alliance which advocates on behalf of software industry before governments. she has previously served for over a decade in the white house under both republican and democrat administrations including being nominated to be the first u.s. intellectual property enforcement coordinator. she graduated from georgetown's school of foreign service, has an lom from the london school of economics, and a law degree from georgetown. i want to thank all of you for appearing and let's do it in the order that you are seated, left to right. my left to right. >> chairman grassley, ranking member leahy, senator franken and members of the committee thank you for fighting me to testify. i'm a tech of investigator and a somebody committee of the association of state criminal investigative agencies. i'm pleased to speak on behalf of the state and local enforcement officers who work the majority of investigations iin this country addition to criminal investigators pe

mr. calabrese graduate from georgetown. finally, victoria espinel of the software alliance which advocates on behalf of software industry before governance. she has previously served for over a decade in the white house under both republican and democrat administrations including been nominated to be the first u.s. intellectual property enforcement coordinator she graduated from georgetown school refund service and has an lol and from the london school of economics and a law degree from georgetown. we want to thank all of you for appearing in the student order of business that you are seated. >> senator and members of the committee thank you for inviting me to testify. i'm a technical investigator and i serve on the technology committee and i'm pleased to speak on behalf of the local and personal officers. the work of the majority of the investigations in the country to share the perspective of the challenges. the challenge of also access to electronic evidence is the top of mind every my everyday for those of us in the tre

mr. calabrese, do you agree there's a need for legislation that creates a legal framework for how and when law enforcement can access data stored abroad? >> i can speak for google on this. we think that there is a need for legislation that addresses the access by u.s. law enforcement of users who are not in the united states who are not u.s. citizens. the focus on where the data is stored doesn't make sense to us. we think it's would lead to some bad results. but putting aside that one feature of the leeds act, we think there are ways to structure in that don't take into account and aren't so wed to data localization as the feature that would still satisfy the spirit and ames of the proposal. >> do you agree with that? >> first, he appreciate your support for the leads leahy bill as underlining and being added to by your leeds act. certainly this is a complicated area. cdt believes that you started an incredibly important conversation. you've created some tools in terms of em lat reform that would be invaluable in speeding law enforcement investigations. and we believe that we can find an