mr. callson, was he the only one from news international. there was -- there was a tabloid newspaper i talked to earlier. at which time we made the appointment, i think i'm right that he was the only tabloid editor available. >> the additional interviews, how many did you see as part of the process. >> how many people did i see? obviously harry as he were or been outed, but i did have conversations with him. that was a senior from a broad sheet newspaper and someone else very senior in the bbc. there was this tabloid journali journalist -- i have lost count. i think there were four people. there may have been others. the situation was very effective communicator. clearly we wanted to strengthen the operation. people are being suggest and proposed all the time. those four i can remember personally talking to. >> paragraph 225, you explained that assurances were obtained in a meeting with them. is that correct? >> that is my understanding, yes. >> can we be clear? was that something that was communicated to you in about march of 2007, namely t