mr. campbell. as mayor knew some -- as mere -- mayor newsom was excellent office and -- mayor newsom was exiting office and mayor lee was taking over, how were they planning to arrive at that 100%, and what is the plan? >> one of the things we are excited about the program is 100% renewable for cca. i know the puc and department of environment have a working on a task force on the 100% renewal plans -- renewable plans. supervisor mirkarimi: i'm sorry, i did not hear the answer to that question. to that point of conversion? i have yet to hear mayor lee do the same thing. >> by conversion you mean -- >> how they plan to convert municipal reliance from our fossil fuel, nonclean energy into 100%, because this is something that they assert that this is the game plan for san francisco. so i'm actually trying to understand the p.u.c.'s role in the rollout of that plan. with or without c.c.a. >> and by municipal, you mean the broader city, not just municipal customers like the city hall and general -- >> i

mr. campbell spoke. >> we have arranged the proceeding that mr. campbell will present a brief synopsis of the term sheet before you, and i will follow-up on that with -- with comment. >> good afternoon, commissioners. in your packet, you had received the presentation that i and my colleagues at the puc had given at the san francisco public utilities commission meeting on tuesday. i am going to provide a high level overview, and i'm happy to take questions throughout the presentation as you see fit. one thing to start out, just to highlight is, we have been working together very collaborative lee -- very collaboratively. the chair of my commissioned it highlights how she would like to have feedback from this body. where we are -- i can just sort of go through a bit. first, as you know, the program, given the market research we have done in terms of where we think our likely participation would be and the ease of marketing 100% clean program, and that costs for the 100 percent premium will not be a driver of additional opt outs. we are looking at 100

mr. campbell? supervisor campos: mr. campbell? >> yes, with the s.f. p.u.c., miss miller is quite right, there's a $500,000 not to exceed contract the p.u.c. has with power, with $390,000 remaining on it. as miss miller notes, every dollar that we can husband will be available for outreach and marketing and potential appropriations that might be needed. so there is a very strong interest in keeping consultant costs down to what actually lines up with what we need. on that point, one of the bits of direction we also heard an item similar to this, an item that was related to the extension of the contract, it's now been extended for another 12 months that was approved by my commission last week, last tuesday. it had a clear direction to only be hiring consultants for projects that directly relate to the scope of the program that we are envisioning. there are parts of the proposed scope better currently in discussion with local power and the advocates that do not line up with the existing plan for the program.

mr. campbell? >> good afternoon, commissioners. mike campbell. i am a director here at power enterprise. continuing from where general manager harrington left off, there is a long history. general manager harrington talked about this, and i will tie it back. there is in discussion about the rates, having raids be stable over time, having a target of 51% renewable, as the ordinance said by 2017, but it was probably considered to be 10 years after the launch. the program would develop 360 megawatts of various resources to include both generation and the customer site resources, demand response, energy efficiency and. all customers would be enrolled all at the same time. the contract would be 15 years or more. there would be a single entity that would be able to provide all of the supplies and services needed, and that supplier would take on all financial risks. the city would have no financial liability whatsoever. again, ed harrington touched on this earlier, but we have gone two rfp's and have not seen a robust response. we have looked at ways to

mr. campbell walked to through, the decision to move forward on ccna, which would be one of the funding choices, we could afford to do that. we would run out of money even sooner. one of the questions you ask me specifically -- asked me specifically, how can we have all long-term sustainable hetch hetchy fund. we have provided some of the difficult choices that will have to be made in the event that a funding source to pay for ccna or stabilize the hetch hetchy funny to be made. the first is rate increases. i would like to walk you through the politically tough decision, what that means. the first column would show if we were to raise rates one penny for those rates were not paying their full cost, the total value of that based on our load is $4.6 million. raise rates one penny and go from 3.7 5 cents to three. -- that would mean revenue of $6 million. that is a quarter of the cost that was mentioned before. what that would mean i an extra burden to meet new railway at the top, they would have to pay an additional $1.30 million and their power bill. we would -- it would mean sending higher powe

mr. campbell on the extension of the contract. i saw that there was an amendment that was submitted but my understanding is that without reissuing the entire new unrest p -- an entire new rfp, maybe we could ask the attorney to speak to that. >> i know the staff has proposed an amendment that does not change that scope of work. the general manager and the staff have the authority within the contract that was competitively bid to issue orders pursuant to the original rfp. i just saw the materials that were passed out in the scope of work that was drafted by the consultants and my only point before the meeting is that that is a little the regular to have the consulted propose an amendment to the scope of work, that would usually go through the contract process, the purchasers office and that is not our usual protocol which follows the administrative code and the competitive bidding process to have a scope of work at it as an amendment written by the consultant. >> why don't we put a motion on the table and then we will take public c

mr. campbell on the extension of the contract. i saw that there was an amendment that was submitted but my understanding is that without reissuing the entire new unrest p -- an entire new rfp, maybe we could ask the attorney to speak to that. >> i know the staff has proposed an amendment that does not change that scope of work. the general manager and the the general manager and the staff have the authority wit

mr. campbell of california is recognized. >> i have been talking about the real debt lemon and i have been saying that we have all lot of debate and dispute here in congress over the statutory debt limit, but it is an arbitrary number and a real debt limit is when we reach what we're all calling the tipping point. but the push back and get on that from some people and allied have dr. meltzer and mr. edwards to respond, we are a long way away from that. look at treasury debt right now. it is dropping down below 1.9% and soth, the ns .. there, there is a tremendous appetite for treasury debt. this is an indication that we are a long way from that tipping point. what either of you like to respond to that? >> first, i would say the size of the unfunded mandate does not -- is thought included in most of the numbers that we talk seven timessix to the size of the deficit, depending on what interest rate you use. that is an enormous amount, just as the chart shows. mr. ball and i agree. is the medicare and medicaid expenditure -- if is the medicare and medicaid expenditure that is going to cause t

mr. secretary, joe campbell. >> joe. >> you're the president -- >> reporter: secretary of the interior kimar visited rock slough in the delta today. inspecting a brand new $30 million federally-funded fish screen. high says it's money well spent. >> looking around at the 30 acres, cattle in the background, the water flowing down the canal today, is a demonstration of success. >> reporter: the key to the success is this specially designed stainless steel screen, 14 feet wide, weighing nearly two tons with openings only 1/16th of an inch. 48 of them are installed across rock slough, which is the main water intake for the contra costa water district. dan orr supervises all construction in the district. >> we do have a fair amount of fish that has gone threw in the past, we know that by doing some fish studies, now we know that these screens are robust enough to keep sensitive species in the dale take where they belong. >> reporter: officials say these pumps will no longer suck up fish, only screened water from now on, rancher jerry due artie's land is adjacent to the project, he has only 1 co

mr. campbell of california. >> thank you, mr. chairman. subject to this hearing, i've been talking about the real debt limit. i've been saying that although we've had a lot of debates here in congress over the statutory debt limit, the statutory debt limit is an arbitrary you were in and the real debt limit is when we reach what we're calling the tipping point. the pushback i get on that from some people and i'd like dr. mellser to respond, people say, we're a long way from that. look at the treasury today, look at the 10-year treasury dropping below 1.9% or so forth. the auctions are going out. last tremendous ap sit for treasury debt. the interest rates on treasury debts are dropping dramatically and this is an indication we are a long, long way from the tipping point. would either or both of you like to respond to that? >> first, i would say aside from the unfunded mandate not included in most of the numbers we talk about, six or seven times the size of the deficit, depending on what restrictions you use to discount it back from the fut

campbell. >> thank you, mr. speaker.l the prime minister join me in congratulating the football club who in partnership with the university have delivered the first university of football business in the u.k. which has generated immense interest among the young people of the u.k. and across europe? >> i will happily join my honorable friend in praising the work of the football club. i've been very struck in this job of the privilege you get of seeing difrent football clu working not just on their own football skills but inspiring young people not only here but as i saw in south africa in other countries as well. i think there's a huge role for football to help change people's lives and i fully support what our clubs do. >> mark hendricks. >> can the prime minister confirm that the winr fuel allowance this year will be 50 pounds less for the over 60s and 100 pounds less for the over-80s. >> what i can confirm that that payment will be exactly as set out by labour in their march budget, a budget that he supported. but at t

campbell. >> thank you, mr. speaker. will the prime minister join me in congratulating the football club who in partnership with the university have delivered the first university of football business in the u.k. which has generated immense interest among the young people of the u.k. and across europe? >> i will happily join my honorable friend in praising the work of the football club. i've been very struck in this job of the privilege you get of seeing different football clubs working not just on their own football skills but inspiring young people not only here but as i saw in south africa in other countries as well. i think there's a huge role for football to help change people's lives and i fully support what our clubs do. >> mark hendricks. >> can the prime minister confirm that the winter fuel allowance this year will be 50 pounds less for the over 60s and 100 pounds less for the over-80s. >> what i can confirm that that payment will be exactly as set out by labour in their march budget, a budget that he supported

mr. campbell of california is recognized. >> i have been talking about the real debt lemon and i have been saying that we have all lot of debate and dispute here in congress over the statutory debt limit, but it is an arbitrary number and a real debt limit is when we reach what we're all calling the tipping point. but the push back and get on that from some people and allied have dr. meltzer and mr. edwards to respond, we are a long way away from that. look at treasury debt right now. it is dropping down below 1.9% and so forth, the auctions are there, there is a tremendous appetite for treasury debt. this is an indication that we are a long way from that tipping point. what either of you like to respond to that? >> first, i would say the size of the unfunded mandate does not -- is thought included in most of the numbers that we talk seven timessix to the size of the deficit, depending on what interest rate you use. that is an enormous amount, just as the chart shows. mr. ball and i agree. is the medicare and medicaid expenditure -- if is the medicare and medicaid expenditure that is going

mr. campbell from california is recognized. >> thank you, mr. chairman. you know, subject of this hear i've been talking about for some years, the real debt limit and i've been saying although we've had debates and disputes here in congress here over the statutory debt limit that the statutory debt limit is an arbitrary number and the real arbitrary number is what we are calling the tipping point but the push-back i get on that from some people and i like to ask dr. medical melzer we're a long way. look what's happening to the treasury debt today and look where the treasury is dropping right around 2 but dropping at some point below 1.9 or so forth. the auctions are going out there. there's a tremendous appetite for treasury debt and this is an indication that we are a long, long ways from that tipping point. would either of you -- both of you would like to respond to that? >> first i would say the size of the unfunded mandate which is not included in most of the numbers we talk about, not in the 90%, not in the 100% is 6 to 7 times the size of the defici

campbell. >> thank you, mr. speaker.e minister join me in congratulating the football club who in partnership with the university have delivered the first university of football business in the u.k. which has generated immense interest among the young people of the u.k. and across europe? >> i will happily join my honorable friend in praising the work of the football club. i've been very struck in this job of the privilege you get of seeing different football clubs working not just on their own football skills but inspiring young people not only here but as i saw in south africa in other countries as ll. i think there's a huge role for football t help change people's lives and i fully support what our clubs do. >> mark hendricks. >> can the prime minister confirm that the winter fuel allowance this ye will be 50 pounds less for the over 60s and 100 pounds less for the over-80s. >> what i can confirm that that payment will be exactly as set out by labour in their march budget, a budget that he supported. but at the same t

campbell. >> thank you, mr. speaker. will the prime minister join me in congratulating the football club who in partnership with the university have delivered the first university of football business in the u.k. which has generated immense interest among the young people of the u.k. and across europe? >> i will happily join my honorable friend in praising the work of the football club. i've been very struck in this job of the privilege you get of seeing different football clubs working not just on their own football skills but inspiring young people not only here but as i saw in south africa in other countries as well. i think there's a huge role for football to help change people's lives and i fully support what our clubs do. >> mark hendricks. >> can the prime minister confirm that the winter fuel allowance this year will be 50 pounds less for the over 60s and 100 pounds less for the over-80s. >> what i can confirm that that payment will be exactly as set out by labour in their march budget, a budget that he supported