mrs. campbell? >> that end to end testing is a component before a system goes live. >> and you do not believe you had a responsibility to indicate that end to end testing had not yet occurred with 20 days to go? >> it was our client's responsibility for end to end testing, sir. >> would you respond to me on that issue? >> we wouldn't amend our testimony. we testified accurately to the delivery of the data services hub. >> do you believe that you had a responsibility affirmatively to indicate that no end to end testing had yet to occur. >> on september 10 we were expecting to receive the code that would allow the end to end testing to occur. >> you are of the opinion there would be end to end testing between september 10 and september 30? >> that was our expectation. >> in your experience with other clients, does end to end testing occur before 20 days to go? >> each project is different and i can't comment congressman. >> another large project in which you were involved, is it usual that end to end

mr. campbell's liking. and he took them all back to the spa and proceeded to beat this girl. and broke two pool sticks over the shins of her legs. >> the security system in campbell's office kept the girls under constant surveillance. >> there were cameras everywhere. anything you say, anything you do, that looked bad in his eyes he would just call you to his office and then you will be punished. >> the girls at the spa were told never to speak to each other or to their customers. when julie broke this rule, she was called to campbell's office. >> she was stripped of her clothing, tied to a bed. and he beat her with sticks, a belt and his hands. >> he kept repeating, they won't want you anymore. i am your king and i am your god. >> campbell then gave julie an ultimatum. if she ever again disrespected or angered him, she would be taken to the basement. >> he used the basement as a place to kind of torture people. and he said that whoever comes to the basement, they would never come out of that place. and he said that it was really easy to get rid of a dead body. >> for six mont

mrs. campbells statement that they tested more extensively on a system that was not as complicated but hhs, cms decided to go forward with only a very short period of testing. do you think that was acceptable? >> clearly looking back it would have be have been ideal to do it differently. medicare existed well before the website. medicare is a program that started 50 years ago. the website was an additional feature for consumer ease and comfort. they were not launching medicare. they were not delivering health benefits to seniors. they were putting together an additional way to enroll in medicare. i would suggest, sir, that we had deadlines in the law that people had benefits starting january 1st. we wanted a extensive open enrollment period so that a lot of people who were not familiar with insurance, didn't know how to choose a doctor or choose a plan, had never been in this marketplace, or people who needed to understand fully what the law offered, had amp time to do that. so the date that i was again required to select for open enrollment, that's again part of the statute. how long woul

campbell. >> yes. >> mr. slavitt. >> yes. >> ms. spellecy. >> yes. >> mr. lau. >> yes. >> did your companies meet as a group with h.h.s. before you started the process? anyone? did your companies meet together with h.h.s. to discuss the integration? mr. lau, go ahead. >> yes, the security people from c.m.s. and others have coordinated this. >> all right. let me ask each of you a question. how many people in each of your companies have physical access to the database servers storing the enrolling information? >> we have zero access to the database. >> zero. >> i believe the also zero for our qssi. >> we have no access to c.m.s.'s servers. >> ok. mr. lau.

campbell? >> that is correct. >> mr. slavitt? >> yes. >> our systems are not integrated. >> you get not quite as much student here today. i want to go then to the first two. if you designed it to c.m.s.'s specifications and tested it and felt it was good to go, where did this break down? when would you have preferred that the end to end testing had been done by c.m.s.? miss campbell? >> see if i can get all those questions -- >> i'll make it simple. when should the end to end test have started? >> there's never enough testing for sure. >> when did it occur? >> the last two weeks in september. >> so you think that's an adequate time frame for a system that mammoth, 1/6 of the nation's economy and millions of people coming into it, did that give your company adequate time to make sure everything was integrated and work? >> it would have been better to have more time. >> how much more time would you have preferred? >> i don't have -- >> did you make any recommendations to cms about the need for end to end testing that occurred soone

mr. chairman. ms. campbell and mr. slavitt, thrick, would you say if far more states had decided to do their own exchanges, the national exchange would not have experienced as many problems? >> i can speculate. i would say probably. but i don't know for sure. >> i wanted to talk about the kentucky experience, and i want to thank your company for its involvement in our state because the experience in kentucky has been extraordinarily successful. even though there were problems for a few hours on the first day, again because of excessive demand, at least unprojected demand, those were quickly rectified. i have these statistics now for the first 21 days in kentucky. we had 640,000 kentuckyans estimated without insurance. so assuming that most of those were people who contacted the system were mostly from that population, we have had 280,000 unique visitors to connect, kynect. 247,000 have actually conducted prescreenings to determine qualifications for subsidies and so forth. 47,000 applications for health care coverage h

mr. chairman. ms. campbell and mr. slavitt, would you say if far more states had decided to do their own exchanges, the national exchange would not have experienced as many problems? >> i can speculate. i would say probably. but i don't know for sure. >> i wanted to talk about the kentucky experience, and i want to thank your company for its involvement in our state because the experience in kentucky has been extraordinarily successful. even though there were problems for a few hours on the first day, again because of excessive demand, at least unprojected demand, those were quickly rectified. i have these statistics now for the first 21 days in kentucky. we had 640,000 kentuckyans estimated without insurance. so assuming that most of those were people who contacted the system were mostly from that population, we have had 280,000 unique visitors to connect, kynect. 247,000 have actually conducted prescreenings to determine qualifications for subsidies and so forth. 47,000 applications for health care coverage had been

mrs. campbell and mr. salafa, you all both said you were hipaa compliant. how in the world can this be hipaa compliant? >> turns out the code barton focused on is irrelevant. tech journalist clay johnson noting, "the whole thing doesn't matter. if it's not displayed to the user, the user can't agree to it. it's not like apple can completely hide terms of service on itunes and still claim people accept the terms." but joe barton is less concerned with the facts than he is about destroying obama care. >> once again here we have my republican colleagues trying to scare everybody -- >> will the gentleman yield? >> no, i will not yield to this monkey court or whatever this is -- >> this is not a monkey court. >> do whatever you want. >> instead of trying to actually get to the bottom of what was wrong with the website, the gop spent their time decrying a broken government they worked day and night to break. >> the botched rollout is all the more reason that the individual mandate penalty should be delayed. >> but this is not the first time congress has overseen

campbell? >> that is correct. >> mr. slavitt? >> yes. >> our systems are not integrated. >> you get not quite as much student here today. i want to go then to the first two. if you designed it to c.m.s.'s specifications and tested it and felt it was good to go, where did this break down? when would you have preferred that the end to end testing had been done by c.m.s.? miss campbell? >> see if i can get all those questions -- >> i'll make it simple. when should the end to end test have started? >> there's never enough testing for sure. >> when did it occur? >> the last two weeks in september. >> so you think that's an adequate time frame for a system that mammoth, 1/6 of the nation's economy and millions of people coming into it, did that give your company adequate time to make sure everything was integrated and work? >> it would have been better to have more time. >> how much more time would you have preferred? >> i don't have -- >> did you make any recommendations to cms about the need for end to end testing that occurred soone

mr. chairman. ms. campbell and mr. slavitt, thrick, would you say if far more states had decided to do their own exchanges, the national exchange would not have experienced as many problems? >> i can speculate. i would say probably. but i don't know for sure. >> i wanted to talk about the kentucky experience, and i want to thank your company for its involvement in our state because the experience in kentucky has been extraordinarily successful. even though there were problems for a few hours on the first day, again because of excessive demand, at least unprojected demand, those were quickly rectified. i have these statistics now for the first 21 days in kentucky. we had 640,000 kentuckyans estimated without insurance. so assuming that most of those were people who contacted the system were mostly from that population, we have had 280,000 unique visitors to connect, kynect. 247,000 have actually conducted prescreenings to determine qualifications for subsidies and so forth. 47,000 applications for health care coverage h

mr. campbell, my colleagues in the senate as well, have tried to get the administration to come out, to state your position on the proposed use of eminent domain to seize mortgages. and my question is, if you would make that statement? >> so i appreciate you asking this question again because i think it was the former times that i've gotten past it, it's the end of the question as opposed to beginning which makes it hard to give a full answer, but what i've been trying to say here is that we do believe that eminent domain authority in general is a local and state authority, and it needs to be -- >> will -- >> can i finish? they need to be able to make their decisions in this needs to be played out over time in terms of what impact, if any, it will ultimately have on lending. so i will -- >> hold on, hold on. the question that you need to answer, if you think it through is, will the fha insurance fund, counted on or not, do we have a position where the fha insurance fund cannot be counted on by the investment fund mortgage resolution partners in richmond, or elsewhere, to help ensure refinance

miss campbell, mr.vitt, i think that's primarily to you. >> i don't have the exact number. >> all right. we're going to jump away and sort of analyze what's been going on in this hearing. our tech expert, laurie segall has been doing a fabulous job with this. we heard cgi, senior vice president say the problems will be fixed and the system will be okay. do you believe her? >> you know, i will say when i'm -- i'm very excited they asked about that 5 million lines of code needing to be rewritten. they asked about that and said do we need 5 million lines of code to be rewritten in order for this to work? it takes about a day to write 100 lines of code for one software engineer. what cheryl campbell said is if i told my 300 employees they had to rewrite that much code, they would walk out. from looking at everybody kind of deflecting a little bit is the disjointed nature of trying to build something that was such a huge political agenda, such a complicated website, but the idea that there were so many cooks

mrs. campbell told us that would weeks prior to the october 1st launch, they were told to turn off the browsing feature. were you aware in september that this decision was made? >> sir, i wasn't aware of that particular decision. that was made by the cms team. i was aware that they were pairing back some features to not put additional risk on the website. >> who made that decision? >> administrator tavenner made that decision. >> and do you know why that was made? >> yes, sir. because we were anxious to get the website up and running and functional. which we clearly have failed to do to date. although, i would suggest that the website has never crashed. it is functional, but at a very slow speed and very low reliability and has continued to function. having said that, they paired down some of the features feeling that it would be better to load them in later. one was the shop and browse feature. another one was the spanish version of the website and the medicaid transfers. all three of those issues were pair the down in september to not overload the system. >> last week there was testimony that

mr. haines. this is lieutenant campbell. >> how do you do? >> won't you sit down? >> thank you, sir. >> i know you're a busy man, so we won't detain you any longer than necessary. now, you've already been good enough to tell us where you were last evening, and we've managed to locate the gentleman you spoke with on the train. >> yes, i saw him outside. >> will you come in, please, professor? >> mr. collins, this is mr. haines. he was with you on the train last night. >> i'm terribly sorry, but i really don't remember meeting this gentleman. unfortunately, i remember very little of our trip from new york. you see, we-- we had a little celebration. >> but we were sitting opposite each other in the observation car. you were singing a song about a goat. >> a goat? >> and calculus. you were going over a speech you'd made. >> i was? i'm very sorry, mr. haines. i--i certainly must have been celebrating. >> captain, is it so important whether or not professor collins remembers me? surely the important thing is i've been able to name a man who was on the train with me. you'

campbell. >> we have. >> mr. slavitt. >> yes. >> after a day of hearings many members of congress say they still have more questions. >> we didn't get the answer today except that all the answers reside with secretary sebelius and we look forward toll her testimony. >> health and human services secretary kathleen sebelius wasn't available to testify yesterday because she was at one of the call centers which helps americans find the right health care plan she said the website is still a work in progress it's better today than it was on october 1st, but it's a long way from perfect and we are determined to have it be perfect. >> congress still wants to know who made the decision that slowed down the website and why. >> if somebody's responsible, i think they have to be held accountable. >> secretary sebelius is scheduled to testify next wednesday. and according to officials, healthcare.gov cost nearly $400 million to build. some of the contractors acknowledge that it's one of the most complex sites that they've wor

campbell? >> mr. slavitt? >> yes. >> ms. spellecy? >> yes. >> mr. lau? yes. >> did your company's needs as a group with hhs before you started the process? >> anyone? did your companies need to get there with hhs to discuss the integration? mr. lau, go ahead. >> the security people from cms and others coordinated -- >> all right. let me ask each of your question. how many people in each of your companies have physical access to the data base servers storing heavy enrolling information? >> we have zero access to the database. >> okay. >> i believe the answer is also zero. >> ms. spellecy come for the verification? >> we have no access to the cms servers. >> mr. lau? >> 2,000 people. >> 2,000 people have access to the data base? >> through the key entry of the applications. >> okay. no one is supposed to have direct access to that data base. under the current technology infrastructure, how many separate servers or virtual servers in the cloud are being used to host and store data for healthcare.gov? ms. campbell and mr. slavitt i think that is primarily to

mr. slavitt and ms. campbell, that's primarily to you. >> i don't have the exact number. we have anywhere from 80 to 100 servers. >> so you have 80 to 100 different servers that are holding information. >> that are passing information through our system. >> ok. mr. slavitt. >> i don't have the answer to that question specifically to how many servers. we can follow that up. we don't store any data, however, any personal consumer data in any of our systems. >> ok. then ms. campbell, the application information, is that being stored separately from the patient database information? ms. campbell. >> can you repeat the question again? >> the applicant serve he was and database servers, are you holding this information on your patients and on the data tase separately. >> we are not holding any information. >> you are not holding any. ok. >> we are provided only with limited information, social security numbers, names, and date of birth, which we use to match against our system. >> ok. mr. l.a.o., you mentioned that you all are working through the paper entry, and then the date

campbell? >> we have. >> mr. slavin? >> yes. >> mr. lowell? >> yes. >> after days of hearings, many member ofs of congress say they still have questions. >> health and human services secretary kathleen sebelius wasn't available to testify yesterday because she was at one of the call centers which helps americans find the right healthcare plan. she say it is web site is still a work in progress. >> it's better today than it was on october #1s, but it's a long way from perfect, and we are determined to have it be perfect. >> congress still wants to know who made the decision that slowed down the web site and why. >> if somebody is responsible, i think they have to be held accountable. >> secretary sebelius is scheduled to testify next wednesday. on capitol hill, wjz eyewitness news. >> the web site developers all said they believe healthcare.gov will be functional by december #159. that is the deadline for consumers to purchase insurance and have it take effect at the start of the year. >>> a national guard member is behind bars this morning aft

mr. slavitt, i'd like the names by tomorrow morning if you can do that. finally, i want to go to ms. campbell. a feature that was changed on the website, who told you to do that? >> could you repeat that, i didn't hear you? >> the see first plans. the website failed. the problem is people don't know what the cost of the plans are. you all made a change to say see plans first, just reported yesterday by, i think, cbs. who made that decision? >> i don't know. >> can you give us the names? >> we can get you a name. >> ok. who made the decision if you are younger than 50 you would be quoted a 25-year-old health policy? >> don't have an answer for you. >> can you give us a name? >> i can try. go back to my team to see if they have a name. >> ok. who made the decision that if you're older than 50 you get quoted a 50-year-old policy? >> the same. i'd have to go back to my team. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i yield back. >> the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from new york, mr. engel. >> thank you, mr. chairman. you know, it amazes me how our republican colleagues are so concerned about th

mr. chairman. c.g.i. the representative campbell said that she had met her contract obligations and met the specifications. and she said the only problem she had was with pace. pace wasn't part of the specification. what you wouldr, testify to, she said you would testify that she did complete her contract in accordance with the specifications. would you? >> sir, i don't think until the product is working the way it's designed to work that anybody has finished their job. that's my -- >> they have shortened our time. so if she hasn't met the specifications, yet we are still using her. is the american taxpayer still paying the money to fix the problems she didn't do -- her company didn't do? >> none of our contractors have been paid the amount -- >> paid for this work into the fuhr as we go to correct this problem? >> we'll make that determination as the work goes forward. i will tell you, sir, that as we learn what needs to be fixed how long it takes we'll know more about -- >> who owns the software now? now that we -- this has been developed with taxpayer money, developed the software to do this -- >> owne

mr. chairman. last week the cgi representative campbell said she had met her contract obligations and met specifications. she said the only problem she had was with pace, but the pace wasn't part of the specification. and we asked her what you would testify to. she said you would testify that she did complete her contract in accordance with the specifications. would you? >> sir, i don't think until the product is working the way it's designed to work that anybody has finished their job. that's really my -- >> i'm sorry. with time, they've shortened our time. so if she hasn't met their specifications, but yet we're still using her, so is the american taxpayer still paying the money to fix the problems that she didn't do -- her company didn't do -- >> none of our contractors have been paid the amount of their -- >> will she be paid for this work into the future as we go to correct this problem? >> we'll make that determination as the work goes forward. i would tell you, sir, that as we learn what needs to be fixed, how long it takes, we'll know more about whether they delivered. >> i'm sorry about the tim

mr. chairman >> without objection. >> i have one last question, when can these exchanges be ready and when can people get on them are reliability, miss campbell? >> as soon as possible, we're working as hard as we can. >> we're doing everything that we can to maintain them. and will do everything we can do to assist >> i want to say, mr. chairman, my healthcare aid went onto the exchange in virginia last night, and she was able to register and i hope this happens for all americans. >> i just went on my ipad and i was able to access the choices of plans to my constituents in california. within a 5, 10 minute period. >> let's go to kimberly live on capitol hill. and we took a break, and bring us up-to-date on what we missed when the president was speaking >> you heard it there, it's a lot like listening to a bunch of children bickering. that's the overarching tone of this hearing as they're talking about what example has gone wrong and why it has taken so long to fix these glitches with the healthcare.gov website. but on further questions from both republicans and democrats, it has been demonstrated for a lack of test being. each of these four

mr. speaker, will our priests and ministers this weekend, some of them on my post at fort campbell and -- in my district, are they going to be arrested if they recite a hail mary, if they lead a prayer? i think it is time for us to pass this legislation to agree that we let our men and women in uniform pray. let america pray. government should not arrest wants tocause some play politics with the situation. >> the gentleman from south carolina reserves. the gentleman from washington. >> i yield myself such time as i may consume. i support this resolution. nobody is getting arrested for praying. i really wish we could keep the debate here in the realm of reality. i believe the issue is they have been furloughed in some instances so they are not allowed to carry on the services area i do not want that impression left dangling out there that we are somehow arresting people for going to church. we are most certainly not, and i wish the debate would remain a little more accurate. i want to make one other point. in 1995 is true that president clinton talked to republicans, ultimately he did not

mr. chairman. >> last week -- last week the cji representative at campbell said she met her contract obligations and met specifications and said the only problem she had was with pace. but the pace wasn't part of the specification. do you -- and we asked her, you would testify to, did -- she said you would testify that she did complete her contract in accordance with the specifications. would you? >> sir, i don't think it's how the product is working that it's supposed to work that anybody finished their job. >> they shortened our time with it. >> so, if she hasn't met their specifications and yet we're still using her, is the american taxpayer still paying money to fix the problems that she didn't do -- her company didn't do in the first -- >> none of our contractors have been paid of the amount -- >> will she be paid for this work into the future? >> we will make that determination as the work goes forwards. as we learned what needs to be fixed -- we'll know about -- >> i'm sorry the time frame, cut it down. >> who owns the software, now that this has been developed with taxpayer money to deve

campbell? >> as soon as possible. we're working as hard as we can. >> mr. slavit?tly ready and we're doing everything we can to maintain them and we want to do everything we can to assist. >> i have to say, mr. chairman, my health care aide went on to the national aide who lives in virginia last night and she was able to register and research plans and i hope this happens to the rest of america. >> tempers have flared. they called it a quote, monkey court. u.s. forces say armed pirates have attacked an american oil supply vessel off the coast of nigeria. the ship's captain and chief engineer both american citizen have been reportedly kidnapped and sources tell nbc news there are no u.s. war ships in the region and no immediate plans for a hostage rescue attempt and we'll keep you posted on that and here's a look at stories topping the news. >>> after five years portuguese police are re-opening the madeleine mccann case. the toddler vanished from a beachtown in 2007 while her parents were dining at a nearby restaurant. we hope that this will finally lead to her bein

mr. chairman. last week, last week the cgi representative, campbell said, she had met her contract obligations and met the specifications. and she said only problem she had with pace, but the pace wasn't part of the specification. do you, and which asked her what you would, what would you testify to. she said you would testify that she did complete her contract in accordance with the specifications. would you? >> sir, i don't think until the product is working the way it's designed to work that anybody has finished their job. that is really my interest. >> i'm sorry, we're time, they have shortened our time with it. so, if she hasn't, she hasn't met their specifications but yet we're still using her is the american taxpayer still paying money to fix the problems that she didn't do, and her company didn't do? the first place? >> none of our contractors have been paid of the amount of -- >> will she be paid for this work into the future as we go to correct this problem. >> we'll make the determination as the work goes forward. i will tell you, sir, as we learn what is fixed, we'll know more about --

mr. speaker, will our priests and ministers this weekend, some of them, on my post at fort campbell in myistrict, are they going to be arrested if they recite hail mary or lead in prayer? i think it is time for us to pass this legislation to agree that we let our men and women in uniform pray. let america pray. government should not arrest anyone because someone to play politics with this situation. i yield back. >> the gentleman from south carolina reserves. the gentleman from washington is recognized. >> i support this resolution. nobody is getting arrested for praying. i wish we could keep the debate in the realm of reality. i believe the issue is that they have been furloughed, so they are not allowed to carry on the services. i do not want that mis impression left dangling, that somehow we are arresting people for going to church. we are most certainly not. i wish the debate would remain more accurate. i want to make one other point here and while it is true, that 95 -- in 1995, president clinton talked to republicans. ultimately, he did not give them any of the policy items they wer

mr. speaker, will our priests and ministers this weekend, some of them, on my post at fort campbell in my district, are they going to be arrested if they recite hail mary or lead in prayer? i think it is time for us to pass this legislation to agree that we let our men and women in uniform pray. let america pray. government should not arrest anyone because someone to play politics with this situation. i yield back. >> the gentleman from south carolina reserves. the gentleman from washington is recognized. >> i support this resolution. nobody is getting arrested for praying. i wish we could keep the debate in the realm of reality. i believe the issue is that they have been furloughed, so they are not allowed to carry on the services. i do not want that mis impression left dangling, that somehow we are arresting people for going to church. we are most certainly not. i wish the debate would remain more accurate. i want to make one other point here and while it is true, that 95 -- in 1995, president clinton talked to republicans. ultimately, he did not give them any of the policy items they w

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mr. speaker, will our priests and ministers this weekend, some of them, on my post in fort campbell in mytrict, are they going to be arrested if they cite a hail mary as they lead in prayer? i think we need to pass this legislation to agree that we let our men and women in uniform pray, let america pray. government shouldn't arrest anyone because someone wants to play politics with this situation. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlelady's time has expired. the gentleman from south carolina reserves. the gentleman from washington is recognized. mr. smith: i yield myself such time as i may consume. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. smith: first off, i support this resolution. nobody is getting arrested for praying. i really wish we could keep the debate here in the well a reality. i believe the issue is they have been furloughed in some instances so they are not allowed to carry on the services. so i don't want that misimpression left dangling out there that somehow we're arresting people from being to church. i wish the debate would remain a little bit

campbell. >> sure. >> you all testified in september. so i mean either you didn't know about these problems or you knew about them and chose not to disclose them. which one is it? >> mr. chairman, from a cgi perspective our portion of the application worked as designed. people were able to enroll. the end to end testing was the responsibilities of cms. our portion of the system is what we testified in terms of what was ready to go live. but it was not our decision to go live. >> it was not your decision to go live. >> it was cms' decision. it wasn't our decision one way or the other. >> did you ever recommend to delay the date. >> it was not our position to do so. you chose not to share those thoughts with them. >> cms had the ultimate decision for a live or no-go decision. not cgi. we were not in a position we are there to support our clients. it's not our position to tell our client whether they should go live or not go live. >> who at cms were you sharing that information with or those decisions? >> once again, chairman, i did not have nor did cgi have an opinion on a decision for cms to make on a live or no-go decision. >> do you know who at cma made the decision