mr. canseco, that was july 11, 2006. at that time, we did not know of this issue of the canseco lunch. >> your time has expired. >> please go ahead if no one objects. >> did that meeting occurred? >> i think you can draw your own judgments. i have heard since the report came out evidence suggesting that mr. clemens was at the lunch, evidence suggesting mr. clemens was not at the lunch. one point i would like to make about that lunch is that senator mitchell did not state in the report that there was other performance enhancing substance used discussed, nor were any performance enhancing substances exchanged during the course of that one. "gentleman's time has expired. >> mr. chairman, mr. mcnamee, you have come up with so-called physical evidence of possible steroid use that i believe you turned over to investigators. yes, sir. as i understand it, there is cause. -- as i understand it, there is gause and a syringe. >> yes, sir. >> is that the extent of the physical evidence? >> there are empty, broken samples that were u