mr. carlin and mr. harrington, and we did get a chance to submit a report on the findings given to you, a letter from february 3. hopefully, you have a copy of that. so in our meeting which was last tuesday, all five of our members from the real-estate services department along with friends from local 21 in did meet with mr. harrington, and we were surprised by the frankness and the angry tone that he used when addressing our members. suggesting the elimination of some classifications. there were performance decisions within the departments, and when i say that, he pointed out problems, and we consider this to be kind of divergent that had been presented a previous hearings. he talked mostly about development at the previous commission hearings, but in this meeting, he was clearly focusing on performance problems, and we believe this is not an issue that should be addressed in this forum as targets of the moved through the budget process. this clearly is a personnel matter that he has with the departmen