mr. carpenter was here last night. he was kind enough to afragree come back. mr. carpenter, i apologize for putting you on the spot last night. thank you for coming back. >> oh, it's a pleasure to be here. thanks. >> good. thank you. first of all, let me ask you a big question. part of the reason i wanted you to come back tonight is because i wanted you to be able to spread out a little bit and explain some of what you saw in terms of what you think is most important about it. you were the top pentagon official on russia while the russian attack was happening during the election last year. are there things that you saw from that inside perspective that, a, you can talk about in public, but, b, that you think it's important for americans to really understand about that attack? >> yeah. so there are things that i saw obviously classified matters that i can't talk about in public. but what i will say is what i said last night as well. that, you know, i have watched russian both cyber attacks and disinformation campaigns in a number of other countries from up close and

mr. carpenter and i thank you again for coming back and doing this longer interview with us tonight.now you can't talk about the classified material that you've seen. i listed some of what's been reported in the press in terms of intelligence reports that have been described to reporters that came out starting in as early 2015 and carried right through the election. from what you say in your time in government, on a scale of one to ten, how would you describe how alarmed you are about the scale of the russian attack and the possibility of american confederacy in that attack? >> well, i don't know on the scale of one to ten, but i was alarmed as hell when i first saw it and i remain incredibly alarmed. and i remain alarmed because of reports that russians are still probing into u.s. networks, they're probing into in fact networks associated with nuclear power plants, not the actual supervisory control and data acquisition networks but administrative and business networks. they're looking at voter databases. so they are gathering the ability to influence not just potentially future ele

mr. carpenter, i apologize. you were the top pentagon official on russia while the russian attack was happening during the election last year. are there things that you saw from that perspective, from that inside perspective that, a, you can't talk about in public, but, b, that you think it's important for americans to really understand about that attack? >> there are things that i saw that are classified that i can't talk about in public, but i have watched russian both cyber attacks and disinformation campaigns in a number of other countries from up close and seen all their various details and manifestations. ukraine being a prime example. i have seen how the russians do that and you cited the lawsuit, and the lawsuit is absolutely right. how to perpetrate the cyber attack. sometimes that involves using a thumb drive and sticking it into a computer in order to penetrate that system. especially if it's a closed system. but russia always tries to use a multi-facetted approach that relies not just on hacking from

mr. carpenter and i thank you again for coming back and doing this longer interview with us tonight. i know you can't talk about the classified material that you've seen. i listed some of what's been reported in the press in terms of intelligence reports that have been described to reporters that came out starting in as early 2015 and carried right through the election. from what you say in your time in government, on a scale of one to ten, how would you describe how alarmed you are about the scale of the russian attack and the possibility of american confederacy in that attack? >> well, i don't know on the scale of one to ten, but i was alarm as hell when i first saw it and i remain incredibly alarmed. and i remain alarmed because of reports that russians are still probing into u.s. networks, they're probing into in fact networks associated with nuclear power plants, not the actual supervisory control and data acquisition networks but administrative and business networks. they're looking at voter databases. so they can gathering the ability to influence not just potentially future e

mr. carpenter, i believe in the jury's system and honor what the jury said and i would be no problem and i think i kept my word i have done my time and i just would like to get back to my family and friends and believe it or not, i do have some real friends. i don't think i could have represented this prison, i don't think any inmates represented better than i have i did my time and as i said bruce, i made up with him years ago, you know? so, i am sorry it happened and i am sorry to nevada, i wished bruce would never have called me i thought i was glad to get my stuff back it was not worth it, nine years away from your family, it is not walter sco worth it and i am sorry. thank you. >> thank you, just one more thing for the record, your expiration as of today is 9/29/22. good behaviors can be up to a 50% reduction up to your sentence i want to put that on the record and at this point, i will ask officer batista if you will move mr. lavergne and mr. simpson again and we'll invite mr. fermont into the table, please >> thank you >> thank you >>> all right, we are going to take a quick break

mr. legrange, miss carpenter that i would be no problem. i believe in this jury system. i will honor what the jury says. and i will be no problem. you know, and i think i kept my word. like i said, i've done my time. i'd just like to get back to my family and friends, and believe it or not, i do have some real friends, but i don't think i could have represented this will prison -- i don't think any inmate has represented it better than i. i did my time, i tried to be helpful to everybody. and as i said, bruce, bruce beardsly, i made up with him years ago. you know, so, i'm sorry to nevada. i wish -- i wish he wouldn't have ever called me. i thought i was glad to get my stuff back, but it wasn't worth it. nine years away from your family is just not worth it. i'm sorry. >> thank you. just one more thing, for the record, your expiration is as of today, 9/20/22 how in the world that adds up to 33 years, in the state of nevada, good behavior, complying with the rules can mean up to a 50% reduction off the back end of your sentence, if granted parol, that september 29, 2022 t

mr. legrange it was, miss carpenter, miss megan, that i would be no problem. i believe in the system. i will honor what the jury said. and i will be no problem, you know? and i think i kept my word. as i said, i have done my time. i'd just like to get back to my family and friends. believe it or not, i do have some real friends. i don't think i could have represented this prison, i don't think any inmate has ever represented it better than i. i did my time. i tried to be helpful to everybody. as i said, bruce and beardsly, i made up with them years ago, you know? i'm sorry it happened. i'm sorry to nevada. i wish richio had never called me. i thought i was glad to get my stuff back. but it wasn't worth it. nine years away from your family is just not worth it. and i'm sorry. thank you. >> thank you. just one more thing for the record. your expiration is as of today 9/20/22. in the state of nevada good behavior, complying with the rules can mean up to a 50% reduction off the back end of your sentence if granted parole, that september 29th, 2022 time could even move closer. i wanted to

mr. la grange, i think it was, ms. carpenter and msms. ms. meegan, that i would be no problem. i believe in this jury's system. i will honor what the jury said and i will be no problem and i think i kept my word. as i said, i've done my time. i would just like to get back to my family and friends, and believe it or not, i do have some real friends, but i don't think i could have represented this prison -- i don't think any inmate has ever represented it better than i. i did my time. i tried to be helpful to everybody. and as i said, bruce and beardsley, i made up with them years ago. you know? so i'm sorry it happened. i'm sorry to nevada. i wish -- i wish riccio had never called me. i thought i was glad to get my stuff back, but it wasn't worth it. you know, nine years away from your family is just not worth it and i'm sorry. thank you. >> just one more thing for the record. your expiration is, as of today, 9/29/22 and for all those people in the world wondering how that adds up to 33 years, in the state of nevada, good behavior, complying with the rules, can mean up to a 50%

mr. mueller. >> richard blumenthal, thanks for your time. >> pamela brown, david gergen, former russia analyst, ralph larson and defense secretary michael carpenter. michael, you made what i believe to be the first public mention of this other meeting on the program last night. it was the first we had heard about it. what's your understanding of what occurred in. >> well, i mean, there's only three people that know what was said in that meeting and those are presidents trump, putin and the russian interpreter. this was a one-hour meeting. during my career, each seen plenty of five-minute one-on-ones. to have a meeting of this length and not to be transparent about it, that is of concern. and then obvious, this provides a golden opportunity for president putin to try to press president trump on his agenda and to spin things in his way. so we know during the bilateral meeting they talked about a cyber unit which at first president trump said it was a great idea and apparently it wasn't such a great idea later. we don't know what was said. there could have been all kinds of things proposed by the russian side that would have been deleterious to our