mr. cassidy. ms. collins. >> explained we are and why this is a quorum call despite what we heard from senator schumer not too long ago. >> basically to buy time on the senate floor some republican senators can figure out how to respond to this move right here. schumer is raising a point of order that the first article of impeachment is unconstitutional. because it does not allege a high crime or misdemeanor. that's this data set by the constitution. patty murray as you just showed says she doesn't have the power to decide the question. she's going to ask for the senatens to vote on whether the point of ordern. is valid. if the senate votes to sustain schumer's point of order it to eat it effectively dismisses the first article of impeachment, then schumer will move forward with the point of order similar point of order against the second article of impeachment. if that is sustained by separate vote, both charges will be dismissed and the senate trial will be effectively over. >> this could essentiall

mr. cassidy, collins, mr. coons, mr. cornyn, ms. cortez amassed out, mr. cotton, mr. cramer, mr, miss it duckworth, mr. durbin, ms. ernst, mr. fetterman, mrs. fischer, mrs. gillibrand, mr. graham, mr. grassley, mr. hagerty, ms. hassan, mr. hawley, mr. heinrich, mr. hickenlooper, ms. hirono, mr. hoeven, mrs. hyde smith, mr, mr. kelly, mr. kennedy, mr. king, miss klobuchar, mr. lankford, mr. lee, mr. lujan, miss lummis, mr. manchin, mr. markey, mr. marshall, mr. mcconnell, mr, mr. moran, mr. mullin, ms. murkowski, mr. murphy, mrs. murray, mr. ossoff, mr. padilla, mr. paul, mr. peters, mr. reed, mr. ricketts, mr. risch, mr. romney, mr. rosen, mr. rounds, mr. rubio, mr. sanders, mr. schott, mr. schmitt, mr. schumer, mr. scott of florida, mr. scott of south carolina. ms. shaheen, sinema, ms. smith, ms. stabenow, mr. sullivan, mr. tester, mr. thune, mr. tillis, mr. tuberville, mr. van hollen, mr. vance, mr. warner, mr. warnock, ms. warren, mr. welch, mr. whitehouse, mr. wicker, mr. wyden, mr. young. >> roll call votes on senate minority leader mcconnell's motion to table se

mr. cassidy, no. the clerk: mr. tillis, no. the clerk: mr. sullivan, no. the clerk: mrs. gillibrand, aye. the clerk: mr. tester, aye. the clerk: ms. cortez masto, aye. the clerk: ms. rosen, aye. the clerk: mr. markey, aye. the clerk: mr. coons, aye. vote: the clerk: mr. hickenlooper, aye. the clerk: mr. lankford, no. the clerk: on this vote, the yeas 48, the nays are 40. the motion is agreed to. the senate stands in recess until 3 clack p.m. on montana -- clack p.m. on montana -- >> watch live coverage of the senate here on c-span2. >> get contact information for members of government in the palm of your hand. when you preorder your copy of c-span's 2024 congressional directory. with bio and contact information for every house and senate member of the 118th congress, import information on congressional committees, the president's cabinet, federal agencies and state governors. the congressional directory costs $32.95 plus shipping and handling and every purchase helps support our nonprofit operations. scan the code or go to c-spanshop.org to preorder your copy today for de

mr. cassidy, aye. the clerk: mr. rubio, aye. mr. rounds, aye. the clerk: mrs. murray, no. the clerk: mrs. cantwell, no. ms. cantwell, no. the clerk: mrs. shaheen, aye. the clerk: mr. young, aye. the clerk: mr. crapo, aye. mr. merkley, no. mr. markey, no. mr. johnson, no. ms. klobuchar, aye. mr. blumening that will, aye -- mr. blumenthal, aye. the clerk: mr. risch, aye. the clerk: ms. sinema, aye. mr. reed, aye. mr. casey, aye. the clerk: mr. graham, aye. the clerk: ms. lummis, no. mr. cramer, no. mr. tuberville, no. the clerk: mrs. britt, aye. the clerk: ms. duckworth, aye. the clerk: mr. sullivan, aye. the clerk: mr. fetterman, aye. the clerk: ms. smith, aye. the clerk: mr. thune, aye. the clerk: mr. warner, aye. the clerk: mr. lujan, aye. mr. schumer, aye. the clerk: mr. kennedy, no. mr. cornyn, aye. vote: the clerk: mr. brown, no. the clerk: mr. lankford, aye. ms. rosen, aye. mrs. fischer, aye. mr. boozman, aye. the clerk: mr. cotton, aye. ms. murkowski, aye. mr. barrasso, no. the clerk: mrs. gillibrand, aye. the clerk: mr. budd, aye. the clerk: mr. braun, no. the clerk

mr. cassidy, ms. collins, mr. coons. mr. cornyn, ms. cortez masto, mr. cotten, mr. cramer. mr. crapo, mr. cruz, mr. daines, ms. duckworth. mr. durbin, ms. ernst, mr. fetterman, missus fischer. mrs. gillibrand, mr. graham, mr. ms. hassan, mr. hawley, mr. heinrich, mr. hickenlooper. ms. sharon oh, mr. hoeven, ms. hyde smith, mr. johnson. mr. kaine, mr. kelly, mr. kennedy, mr. king. mr. klobuchar, mr. lankford, mr. ms. lummis, mr. manchin, mr. markey, mr. marshall. mr. mcconnell, mr. menendez, mr mr. mullin, ms. murkowski. mr. murphy, mrs. murray. mr. all soft, mr. padilla, mr. paul, mr. petersmr. romney. mr. rounds, mr. rubio, mr. sandersmr. schatz, mr. schmitz, mr. schumer, mr. scott of floridamr. scott of south carolina. mrs. shaheen, ms. sinema, ms. smith. mrs. stabenow, mr. sullivan, mr. mr. tillis, mr. taber bill, mr. van hollen, mr. vance. mr. warner, mr. warnock, ms. warren, mr. welch. mr. whitehouse, mr. wicker, mr. wyden, mr. young. majority leaders recognize. ask any senator is not in the senate chamber at the time the meoath was administered to the other senators will

mr. cassidy. ms. collins. mr. coons. the clerk: mr. cornyn. ms. cortez masto. mr. cotton. mr. cramer. the clerk: mr. crapo. mr. cruz. mr. daines. ms. duckworth. the clerk: mr. durbin. ms. ernst. mr. fetterman. mrs. fischer. the clerk: mrs. gillibrand. mr. graham. mr. grassley. mr. hagerty. the clerk: ms. hassan. mr. hawley. mr. heinrich. mr. hickenlooper. the clerk: ms. hirono. mr. hoeven. mrs. hyde-smith. mr. johnson. the clerk: mr. kaine. mr. kelly. mr. kennedy. mr. king. the clerk: ms. klobuchar. mr. lankford. mr. lee. mr. lujan. the clerk: ms. lummis. mr. manchin. mr. markey. mr. marshall. the clerk: mr. mcconnell. mr. menendez. mr. merkley. mr. moran. . the clerk: mr. mullin. ms. murkowski. mr. murphy. mrs. murray. the clerk: mr. ossoff. mr. padilla. mr. paul. mr. peters. the clerk: mr. reed. mr. ricketts. mr. risch. mr. romney. the clerk: ms. rosen. mr. rounds. mr. rubio. mr. sanders. the clerk: mr. schatz. mr. schmitt. mr. schumer. mr. scott of florida. the clerk: mr. scott of south carolina. mrs. shaheen. ms. sinema. ms. smith. the clerk: ms. stabenow. mr. sullivan. mr. tester

mr. cassidy, aye. the clerk: mr. risch, aye. the clerk: mr. schumer, aye. the clerk: mr. vance, aye. the clerk: ms. cantwell, aye. mr. schmitt, aye. the clerk: ms. murkowski, aye. the clerk: mr. scott of florida, aye. mr. merkley, aye. mr. markey, aye. mrs. gillibrand, aye. the clerk: mr. thune, aye. the clerk: mr. reed, aye. the clerk: mr. boozman, aye. the clerk: mr. ricketts, aye. mr. ossoff, aye. mrs. shaheen, aye. the clerk: ms. cortez masto, aye. the clerk: mr. booker, aye. mrs. britt, aye. mr. van hollen, aye. ms. hassan, aye. ms. rosen, aye. the clerk: mr. blumenthal, aye. mr. bennet, aye. vote: the clerk: ms. lummis, aye. mr. sullivan, no. ing. the clerk: mr. padilla, aye. the clerk: mr. hawley, aye. vote:# >> good afternoon everybody and thank you for joining us. we receive the impeachment articles on secretary mayorkas tomorrow or next week. the democrat leader of the senate still plans on halting the process to stop an impeachment trial. make no mistake about it the vote to block the impeachment trial by secretary mayorkas is a vote to keep the borders open a book to tell

mr. cassidy, ms. collins, mr. coons, mr. cornyn, ms. cortez masto. mr. cotton, mr. cramer, mr. crapo, mr. cruz, mr. daines, mrs. duckworth, mr. durbin, ms. ernest, mr. fetterman, mrs. fischer, mrs. julie brann, mr. graham, mr. grassley, mr. hagerty, ms. hassan, mr. hawley, mr. heinrich, mr. hickenlooper, ms. ms. hirono, mr. hoeven, mr. hyde smith, mr. johnson, mr. kaine, mr. kelly, mr. kennedy, mr. king, ms. klobuchar, mr. lankford, mr. lee, mr. lujan, mr. alanis district of islamists, mr. manchin, mr. markey, mr. marshall, mr. mcconnell, mr. menendez, mr, mr. mullin, ms. murkowski, mr. murphy, mrs. murray, mr. ossoff, mr. padilla, mr. paul, mr. peters, mr. reed, mr. ricketts, mr. risch, mr. romney, ms. rosen, mr. rounds, mr. rubio, mr. sanders, mr. schatz, mr. schmitt, mr. schumer, mr. scott of florida, mr. scott of south carolina, mrs. shaheen, ms. sinema, ms. smith, ms. stabenow, mr. sullivan, mr. tester, mr. thune, mr. tillis, mr. turberville mr. vance mr. warnock, ms. warren, mr. welch, mr. whitehouse, mr. wicker, mr. wyden, mr. young, [roll call vote] >> what are the fina

mr. cassidy, no. mr. kaine, aye. the clerk: mrs. fischer, no. mr. young, no. mr. paul, no. mr. hagerty, no. the clerk: mr. moran, no. the clerk: ms. cantwell, aye. ms. klobuchar, aye. the clerk: mr. tester, aye. the clerk: ms. warren, aye. the clerk: mr. scott of south carolina, no. the clerk: mr. sullivan, no. the clerk: mr. romney, aye. mr. lujan, aye. the clerk: mrs. britt, no. mr. peters, aye. mr. cruz, no. mr. rounds, aye. the clerk: mrs. murray, aye. the clerk: mr. cramer, no. mrs. shaheen, aye. mr. markey, aye. ms. baldwin, aye. the clerk: mrs. hyde-smith, no. the clerk: mr. schmitt, no. the clerk: mr. risch, no. mr. vance, no. the clerk: ms. duckworth, aye. the clerk: mr. casey, aye. the clerk: mr. boozman, no. mr. hoeven, no. mr. wyden, aye. ms. rosen, aye. mr. reed, aye. mr. bennet, aye. the clerk: mr. warner, aye. the clerk: mr. welch, aye. the clerk: mr. graham, aye. the clerk: mr. mullin, no. the clerk: mr. kelly, aye. the clerk: mr. warnock, aye. mr. merkley, aye. the clerk: mrs. gillibrand, aye. the clerk: mr. booker, aye. the presiding officer: the ayes are 589,

mr. cassidy you no. mr. cassidy, no. the clerk: mr. cardin, aye. the clerk: mr. daines, no. the clerk: mr. peters, aye. mr. risch, no. mr. romney, no. the clerk: mrs. gillibrand, aye. the clerk: mr. vance, no. the clerk: mr. booker, aye. mr. ossoff, aye. the clerk: mr. van hollen, aye. mr. blumenthal, aye. the clerk: mr. markey, no. the clerk: mr. wyden, no. the clerk: mr. welch, aye. the clerk: ms. butler, aye. ms. murkowski, aye. the clerk: mr. hoeven, no. the clerk: mr. sanders, no. vote: the clerk: mr. scott of south carolina, no. the clerk: mr. warnock, aye. # the clerk: ms. warren, no. the clerk: mr. murphy, aye. the clerk: mr. tester, no. the clerk: mr. coons, aye. vote: the clerk: mr. lankford, aye. the clerk: mr. romney, aye. vote: the clerk: mr. rubio, aye. the presiding officer: the yeas are 50. the nays are 49. the motion is agreed to. mr. schumer: mr. president, i move to proceed to calendar 365, h.r. 7888. the presiding officer: the clerk will report. the clerk: motion to proceed to calendar number 365, h.r. 7888, an act to reform the foreign intelligence surve

mr. cassidy, aye. mr. wyden, no. mr. welch, no. mr. cantwell, no. mr. cardin, no. mr. reed, no. the clerk: mr. cruz, aye. mr. van hollen, no. the clerk: mr. murphy, no. the clerk: mr. coons, no. the clerk: mr. carper, no. the clerk: mrs. fischer, aye. mr. braun, aye. the clerk: mr. markey, no. the clerk: mrs. capito, aye. the clerk: mr. scott of south carolina, aye. the clerk: mr. cotton, aye. the clerk: mr. risch, aye. mr. sanders, no. the clerk: mr. hawley, aye. mr. schatz, no. the clerk: mr. moran, aye. the clerk: mr. menendez, no o. the clerk: mr. warner, no. the clerk: mr. padilla, no. the clerk: mr. peters, no. the clerk: mr. schumer, no. the clerk: ms. cortez masto, no. the clerk: mr. paul, aye. the presiding officer: on this voight, the yeas are tea 52, the nays are 46. under the previous order requiring 60 votes for passage of the bill, the bill is not passed. . mr. durbin: mr. president. the presiding officer: the democratic whip. mr. durbin: are we in a quorum call? the presiding officer: no, we are not. mr. durbin: mr. president, i ask order in the chamber. the presi

mr. cassidy: mr. president, the senate will soon vote on the resolution of disapproval hoping to overturn the biden administration new joint employer rule. this rule favors coerced union indication. dollar is franchise businesses operating in our communities. they employ over nine million americans. the franchise model is particularly empowered underrepresented groups in the business community such as women and people of color. this allows them to become that successful business owner, to live the american dream, create an opportunity for their own family and for their employs. -- employees. president biden's new rule threatens this business model. it places responsibility upon employers for the labor decisions of the individual franchise owners despite the franchiser having no operational authority over the business's employees. saddling franchisers with liability for thousands of franchise owners that operate small businesses is a sure way to destroy the system of franchising. according to the inter

mr. cassidy, aye. mr. manchin, aye. the clerk: mr. mendendez, aye. mr. cruz, no. mr. coons, aye. mr. braun, no. ms. rosen, aye. mr. booker, aye. the clerk: mr. sanders, no. the clerk: mr. casey, aye. vote: the clerk: mr. van hollen, aye. mr. reed, aye. the clerk: mr. cotton, no. the presiding officer: on this vote the yeas are 75, the nays are 20. on this vote the yeas are 75, the nays are 20. three fifths of the senators duly chosen and sworn, the point of order fails. the presiding officer: the republican leader. mr. mcconnell: could away have order? this is an extremely important day in the history of our country and of the free world. they're all watching, waiting to see what we would do. when putin escalated his war against ukraine, i told our colleagues that allies and adversaries alike would pay very close attention to america's response. when iran-backed terrorists invaded the jewish state on october 7 to slaughter innocent israelis, i warned that the world would watch closely for signs that american leadership was actually weakening. for months our friends have watched to se

mr. cassidy. ms. collins. mr. coons. the clerk: mr. cornyn. ms. cortez masto. mr. cotton. mr. cramer. the clerk: mr. crapo. mr. cruz. mr. daines. ms. duckworth. the clerk: mr. durbin. ms. ernst. mr. fetterman. mrs. fischer. the clerk: mrs. gillibrand. mr. graham. mr. grassley. mr. hagerty. the clerk: ms. hassan. mr. hawley. mr. heinrich. mr. hickenlooper. the clerk: ms. hirono. mr. hoeven. mrs. hyde-smith. mr. johnson. the clerk: mr. kaine. mr. kelly. mr. kennedy. mr. king. the clerk: ms. klobuchar. mr. lankford. mr. lee. mr. lujan. the clerk: ms. lummis. mr. manchin. mr. markey. mr. marshall. the clerk: mr. mcconnell. mr. menendez. mr. merkley. mr. moran. . the clerk: mr. mullin. ms. murkowski. mr. murphy. mrs. murray. the clerk: mr. ossoff. mr. padilla. mr. paul. mr. peters. the clerk: mr. reed. mr. ricketts. mr. risch. mr. romney. the clerk: ms. rosen. mr. rounds. mr. rubio. mr. sanders. the clerk: mr. schatz. mr. schmitt. mr. schumer. mr. scott of florida. the clerk: mr. scott of south carolina. m

mr. cassidy. ms. collins. mr. coons. mr. cornyn. ms. cortez masto. mr. cotton. mr. cramer. mr. crapo. cruz. mr. daines. ms. duckworth. mr. durbin. ms. ernst. mr. fetterman. mrs. fischer. mrs. gillibrand. mr. graham. mr. grassley. mr. hagerty. ms. hassan. mr. hawley. mr. heinrich. mr. hickenlooper. the clerk: ms. hirono. mr. hoeven. mrs. hyde-smith. mr. johnson. mr. kaine. mr. kelly. mr. kennedy. mr. king. ms. klobuchar. mr. lankford. mr. lee. mr. lujan. the clerk: ms. lummis. mr. manchin. mr. markey. mr. marshall. mr. mcconnell. mr. menendez. mr. merkley. mr. moran. mr. mullin. ms. murkowski. mr. murphy. mrs. murray. mr. ossoff. mr. padilla. mr. paul. mr. peters. mr. reed. mr. ricketts. mr. risch. mr. romney. ms. rosen. mr. rounds. mr. rubio. mr. sanders. mr. schatz. mr. schmitt. mr. schumer. mr. scott of florida. mr. scott of south carolina. mrs. shaheen. ms. sinema. ms. smith. ms. stabenow. the clerk: mr. sullivan. mr. tester. mr. thune. mr. tillis. mr. tuberville. mr. van hollen. mr. vance. mr. warner. mr. warnock. ms. warren. mr. welch. mr. whitehouse. mr. wicker. mr. wyden. mr. y

mr. cassidy, no. the clerk: mr. cardin, aye. the clerk: mr. schumer, aye. mr. johnson, no. the clerk: mr. cornyn, no. the clerk: mr. lee, no. the clerk: mr. mcconnell, no. the clerk: mrs. gillibrand, aye. the clerk: mrs. shaheen, aye. mr. carper, aye. the clerk: mr. rubio, no. mrs. hyde-smith, no. the clerk: mr. graham, aye. the clerk: ms. duckworth, aye. mr. budd, no. mr. tester, aye. the clerk: mr. markey, aye. pros mrs. capito, no. mrs. britt, no. mr. braun, no. the clerk: mrs. fischer, no. ms. cantwell, aye. mr. vance, no. the clerk: ms. collins, aye. mr. hoeven, no. the clerk: mr. casey, aye. the clerk: mr. whitehouse, aye. the clerk: mr. moran, no. mr. mullin, no. the clerk: mr. reed, aye. the clerk: mr. warnock, aye. mr. boozman, no. the clerk: ms. smith, aye. the clerk: mr. murphy, aye. the clerk: mr. padilla, aye. the clerk: mr. mendendez, aye. the clerk: mr. bennet, aye. mr. ricketts, no. the clerk: ms. murkowski, aye. mr. hawley, no. the clerk: mr. sullivan, no. the clerk: mr. blumenthal, aye. vote: the clerk: mr. king, aye. . the clerk: mr. romney, no. the clerk

mr. cassidy. >> aye. >> ms. collins. >> aye. >> mr. coons. >> no. >> ms. cortez masto. >> no. >> mr.> aye. >> mr. kramer. mr. cruz. >> aye. >> ms. duckworth. >> no. >> mr. durbin. >> no. >> mr. fetterman. >> no. >> so just so you know what they're voting on here, you saw ted cruz, that was his motion to go into closed session. you just heard the response from chuck schumer. we gave them the possibility of two and a half hours of debate, 15 different resolutions argue this should be held in public. while they are voting, and we'll continue to follow that. really quickly, julia ainsley, i want to go to you. ted cruz said something that should have a fact check. he said mayorkas presided over the worst criminal invasion in history. fact check that for us. >> reporter: look, how do you define that in legal term, but what we've seen is a very low number of anyone posing a threat who has crossed the boarder and to call it an invasion is a misrepresentation of the facts because the people who cross the border are stopped by customs and border protection, and they're processed. yes, there ar

mr. cassidy: mr. president, last week we saw terrible flooding in parts of louisiana, and here's some charts which show -- water shouldn't be up to the bottom of a vehicle. and there you see people getting on a bus wearing wader. -- waders. so people's lives were disrupted, just like any serious flood. so now families are turning to fema, a the national flood insurance program. and moments like this are why people buy insurance. but what about after we've recovered and the sun shines once more? there's increasing concern among americans that they will not be able to afford their flood insurance for when the next storm hits. a house is the biggest purchase most people make in their lifetime, unless you're among the wealthiest, you are taking how the a mortgage to make that purchase. after you've bought your home, imagine fema changes the rules and your flood insurance costs more than the mortgage. but this is the story i am hearing frequently from people in louisiana. the cost of living crisis is being

mr. cassidy. ms. collins. mr. coons. the clerk: mr. coons. mr. cornyn. ms. cortez masto. mr. cotton. mr. cramer. mr. crapo. mr. cruz. mr. daines. ms. duckworth. mr. durbin. ms. ernst. mr. fetterman. mrs. fischer. mrs. gillibrand. mr. graham. mr. grassley. mr. hagerty. ms. hassan. mr. hawley. mr. heinrich. mr. hickenlooper. ms. hirono. mr. hoeven. mrs. hyde-smith. mr. johnson. mr. kaine. mr. kelly. mr. kennedy. mr. king. ms. klobuchar. mr. lankford. mr. lee. mr. lujan. the clerk: mr. hyde-smith, mr. johnson, mr. lankford, mr. lee, mr. lujan, ms. plumb miss. mr. manchin,. mr. markey. mr. marshall. mr. mcconnell. mr. menendez. mr. merkley. mr. moran. mr. mullin. ms. murkowski. mr. murphy. mrs. murray. mr. ossoff. mr. padilla. mr. paul. mr. peters. mr. reed. mr. ricketts. mr. risch. mr. romney. ms. rosen. mr. rounds. mr. rubio. mr. sanders. mr. schatz. mr. schmitt. mr. schumer. mr. scott of florida. mr. scott of south carolina. mrs. shaheen. ms. sinema. ms. smith. ms. stabenow. mr. sullivan. mr. tester. mr. thune. mr. tillis. mr. tuberville. mr. van hollen. mr. vance. mr. warner. mr. war

mr. chairman . >> thank you. senator cassidy? >> the we have a little bit of time, i will ask that we be tight with our questions. first, mr. fain, i totally agree with you. my fact -- practice was in a hospital. folks want jobs and they want decent pay. i agree with that entirely. but there's a little bit of confusion about what we are saying. when you say people are working longer to make more money, if you just cut them down to 32 hours a week they are still making the same amount of money so for them to grow their income, they would either have to work overtime or take a second job. and yes there's companies that work 24-7 but the people don't work 24 seven, they work 40 hours a week or an average of 43 hours a week. i think we have to be clear on that and lastly, productivity is not more hours to make the same money. productivity is more work per hour. and it's often times aided by machines in which case there is less wear and tear on the body. not to say that there is not wear and tear on the body with construction workers b

mr. chairman. >> senator cassidy?h we have a little exercise, we got a lot of questions so i will ask you to be tight with your questions. i totally agree with you. i was in a hospital for the uninsured. folks ron johnson decent pay. i agree with that entirely. there is a little bit of confusion in what you are saying and i want to put out that confusion. when you say people are working longer to work more money, if you just cut them down to 32 hours a week, they are still making the same money so for them to grow their income, they would have to either work overtime and/or take a second job. and yes, there's companies that work 24/7 but the people don't work 24/7. they work 40 hours a week or 41.3 hours per week. so i think we have to be kind of clear on that and lastly, of course, productivity is not more hours to make the same money. productivity is more work per hour and it's oftentimes aided by machines in which case there's less wear and tear on the body, not to say that there's not wear-and-tear on the body. we

mr. werfel: i agree. sen. cassidy: if we could schedule up that follow-up and give us time to scout out? mr. werfel: will do. sen. cassidy: appreciate that. this is going to make my day. [laughter] let me just give you one more thing. the irs has decided to delay implementing the change to the form 1099 k reporting threshold for transactions on third-party payment platforms, such as venlo and paypal. it was enacted under the american rescue plan in 2021, and it moved the threshold to $200 to help taxpayers transition. the irs will keep the 20,000 2 -- -- the threshold and phase it in for 2024. can you discuss what the irs -- by the way, senator brown, bipartisan, we have put in the reduction act that would raise the threshold to protect small businesses. can you discuss the irs authority to delay the implement of laws, and can you explain how the irs arrived at the five thousand dollars threshold for tax year 2024? mr. werfel: i can do both and i will do it quickly. first, we have in law a responsibility to implement

we heard from cassidy hutchinson a couple of rooms over today about it and mr. rove just walk through how much criminal evidence that could result in a conviction. what is your response to that? both politically, which is this panel? and morally, if you if you care to weigh in? well, mean so far it hasn't played a role if anything at least temporarily within republican primary it's helped the president solidify his support, solidify his base. certainly i think a conviction without a doubt would be certainly not helpful and certainly problems attic. but i think that the way things are going it doesn't look like of these cases are going to get resolved before the election it's anyone's guess whether they will or they won't. if i didn't i'll let you finish. but if he's innocent, would it be better to have i mean, if he gets acquitted on one of these things? i mean, this is as high stakes poker as it gets i mean, i think if the president gets acquitted on one of these items, i think it's going to be even his chances of winning going to be even greater. i mean, the r

mr. rove and former trump chief of staff and another white house veteran known for her january 6th testimony, cassidye us there. for karl rove, i asked him about january 6th enduring and really now shifting role in this campaign. he said something interesting, he argued democrats should actually go even harder at trump's lawless stance and vow to pardon what rove calls president biden seven thugs, not hostages. i get to tell you, we talk to a lot of people, we try to get sourcing and information from a lot of people, especially those who served in government, when we do interviews. this one was pretty striking. i'm going to share mr. rove's remarks at some length here, airing on "the beat," for the first time. >> if they were smart, they would take the january 6th and go hard at it, and then they would say, he wants to pardon these people who attacked our capital. i worked in that building, as a young man. to me, the congress of the united states is one of the great examples of the strength of our democracy and the jewel of the constitution. and what those people did when they violently attacked the

mr. chairman. if you are going to get to senator cassidy this information about not re-creating we have to customizeeverything in government and the products off-the-shelf and also there is an enormous challenges in this area there's a great deal of upside so i hope whatever information you get can get to me as well. is this really the way you want to spend this part of your life? i'm a little surprised we've gone through a number of questions and you haven't been asked one of the first even some of my republican colleagues don't like all the money knowing going ithink most of them woulde better enforcement and it's been most recent estimate and a ten year span there has been some testimony that while you indicated you are with individuals in terms of enforcement but there's some reference there's upwards of $500,000 of additional revenue from the investigation garnered. can you give us u some sense of this kind of record investment in your organization what does it look like in terms of how we are making progress in closing the tax gap and what metrics can we see? we've gone from 30 minute weights.

mr. rove and former trump chief of staff reince priebus and another trump white house veteran known for her january 6th testimony, cassidy6th enduring and shifting role in this campaign. he argues democrats should go even harder at trump's lawless stance and the vow to pardon what rove -- you're about to see this, what mr. rove calls maga thugs, not hostages. i've got to tell you, we get to talk to a lot of people and try to get sourcing and information from a lot of people, especially those who served in government when we do interviews. this one was pretty striking. i'm going to share mr. rove's new remarks at some length for you here, airing on "the beat" for the first time. >> if they were smart, they'd take the january 6th and go hard at it, and they would say he wants to pardon these people who attacked our capitol. i worked in that building as a young man. to me the congress of the united states is one of the great examples of the strength of our democracy and a jewel of the constitution. what those people did when they violently attacked the capitol, in order to stop a constitutionally mandated meeting of the con

enough to remember, kyle, when cassidy hutchison testified to the committee, and said that these guys wanted pardons. let's play that sound. >> are you aware [ inaudible ] >> mr advocated for there to be a pardon for members of that meeting. not all of them, but several of them did. >> mr. biggs did. mr. talked about congressional pardons, for the update, on members of congress. he asked for a pardon, too. >> the list keeps going on. matt gaetz, mo brooks, andy biggs, jim jordan, scott perry. yet none of these guys has really faced accountability as yet, or questions from law enforcement officials. give me a sense of the complications of potentially prosecuting or charging a member of congress, as you see it. >> there are a few challenges with that, you know that scott perry had his phone seized by federal investigators as part of a look at donald trump, and that broader plot, he was a key player in the effort by donald trump to deploy the justice department to do what he did in 2020. now, he wasn't charged with that and we don't know where that path led the doj, but it's hard to penetrate congress. they have protection in the constitution, almost full immuni

remember, kyle, when cassidy hutchinson testified to the committee and said that these guys wanted pardons. let's play that sound. >> are you aware of members of congress seeking pardons? >> mretz have advocated for a blanket pardon for members of that meeting. several of them did. >> you mentioned mr. gaetz. mr. brooks. >> andy biggs . he never asked me for one. it was more for an update on whether the white house is going to pardon members of congress. mr. gomer asked for one as well. >> kyle, the list keeps going on, right? no brooks, andy biggs, jim jordan, scott barry. none of these guys has really faced account ability as you get more serious questions from law enforcement officials. give me a sense of the complications of potentially prosecuting or at least charging a member of congress, as you see it. >> there are a few challenges with that. you know that scott perry had his phone seized by federal investigators as part of the look at donald trump and the broader plot. he was a key player in the effort to apply the justice department to help to what he did in 2020. so, now, again, he wasn't charged over that and we don't know where that path led doj. it is hard to pe