mr. chaffetz. mr. stutzman, no. mrs. black. mrs. black, no. mr. ripple. mr. flores. mr. flores, no. mr. mulvaney, no. mr. huelskamp, no. mr. young, no. mr. mash. mr. okita, no. mr. aginta, no. mr. woodall, no. mr. garrett. mr. garrett, no. mr. calvert. no. mr. van hollen. >> yes. >> mr. van hollen, aye. mr. schwartz, aye. mrs. captor, aye. mr. blumenhauer, aye. mrs. mccollum, aye. mr. yarmouth, aye. mr. pascarell. mr. ryan. mr. ryan, aye. mrs. wasserman schultz, aye. mrs. moore. mr. shuler. mr. shuler, aye. mrs. bass. mrs. bass, aye. mrs. bonamici, aye. mr. chairman. >> no. >> mr. chairman, no. >> sorry. almost got me. almost got me. >> he's coming? hold the roll. campbell. give me a report. >> 13-18. mr. campbell, no. mr. chairman, on the vote, the ayes are 13, nos are 18. >> few more moments, mr. aiken, i believe you have a -- >> yes, thank you. mr. chairman, i asked for unanimous consent that the record report that i was detained for medical reasons and had i been present, i would have voted in favor of sequester act of 2012 and against the motion offered by representative castor. >>

mr. chaffetz: mr. speaker, i have an amendment at the desk. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman will suspend. pursuant to house resolution 643 and rule 18, the chair declares the house in the committee of the whole house on the state of the union for the further consideration of h.r. 5326. will the gentlelady from michigan, mrs. miller, kindly resume the chair. the chair: the house is in the committee of the whole house on the state of the union for further consideration of h.r. 5326, which the clerk will report by title. the clerk: a bill making appropriations for the departments of commerce and justice, science, and related agencies for the fiscal year ending september 30, 2013, and for other purposes. the chair: when the committee of the whole rose earlier the amendment offered by mr. southerland had been disposed off and the bill had been read through page 101 line 10. the gentleman from utah. mr. chaffetz: i have an amendment at the desk. the house is not in order. the chair: the gentleman is correct. the house is not in order. the hou

mr. chaffetz: i would disagree with that assessment. this is a new regulation and led to lawsuits that have already started to happen. there is a lawsuit in california. mr. fattah: let me reclaim my time and that the regulation prior to this adjustment allowed for service animals of any type, including a dog, horse, monkey, bird, rat trained to assist and alert, ok, that's number one. so this is a move by the obama administration to restrict it to two types of animals. that is what the house is acting on, actual information, because this is an effort to help those who are disabled and also to avoid unnecessary circumstances in which regulations are too broad. mr. chaffetz: if the gentleman would yield. i will be happy to work with or this. i disagree with that assessment. mr. fattah: this is a fact. so this is the regulation. the new regulation retreats and constrains the regulation to two animals versus a number of animals. mr. chaffetz: if the gentleman would yield. i disagree with that assessment and agree to disagree. mr. fattah: rec

mr. chaffetz. >> no. >> mr. sutsman. >> no. >> mr. lank ford. >> no. >> ms. black. >> no. >> mr. ribl. >> no. >> mr. flores. >> no. >> mr. mulvaney. >> no. >> mr. hallscamp. mr. young. >> no. >> mr. omash. >> no. mr. owe competa. >> no. >> mr. begin at that. >> no. >> mr. woodall. >> no. >> mr. aitkin. >> no. >> mr. van hollen. aye. ms. schwartz. >> aye. >> ms. kaptur. >> aye. >> mr. dogget. >> aye. >> mr. bloomen our. ms. mccullum. >> aye. >> mr. yar mouth. >> aye. >> mr. pass carell. mr. honda. mr. ryan. >> aye. >> ms. wasserman schultz. >> aye. >> ms. moore. ms. castor. >> aye. >> mr. shuler. >> aye. >> ms. bass. >> aye. >> ms. upon meechy. >> aye. >> mr. hallscamp. >> no. >> mr. chairman. >> no. >> mr. chairman, on that vote, the ayes are 12, the nos are 21. >> the nos have it. the motion is not agreed to. are there any further motions? >> mr. chairman, i have a motion. >> mr. dogget, the clerk will report. excuse me. i'm ready to get to the vote. the clerk will receive the motion and the staff will tribute copies. >> a motion offered by mr. doggette. rejecting the eliminatio

mr. chaffetz. the gentlewoman from california, ms. lofgren, is recognized. >> thank you, mr. chairman, and thank you, mr. director, for being here. you have served your country with tremendous distinction and we are honored by your presence here today. i want to talk about technology. i remember visiting with you and looking at your plans for your new computer system many years ago, and i want to know where we are on that. it started in 2 thod for me with the virtual -- 2000 for me with the virtual case file. we spent a lot of money, that was abandoned in january of 2005. in 2006 the f.b.i. planned its new sentinal system, we spent a lot of money, over $425 million, that was i guess kind of rescoped in 2008 with an additional $26 million. but it wasn't finished by the target date. in 2009 it was extended again. in july of 2010 the second phase had more problems. and in september of 2010 the agency announce add plan to have the -- announced a plan to have the methodology with a new target completion date of september, which was not met. and then in october there was a, i under

mr. chaffetz of utah. the chair: a recorded vote has been requested, a recorded -- those in support of a recorded vote will rise and be counted. a sufficient number having risen a recorded vote is ordered. members will record their votes by electronic device. this is a 15-minute vote. [captioning made possible by the national captioning institute, inc., in cooperation with the united states house of representatives. any use of the closed-captioned coverage of the house proceedings for political or commercial purposes is expressly prohibited by the u.s. house of representatives.] the chair: the yeas are -- members are reminded that the unfinished is request for a recorded vote on the amendment offered by the gentleman from massachusetts, mr. tierney, on which further proceedings were postponed and the clerk will redesignate the amendment. the clerk: amendment offered by mr. tierney of massachusetts. the chair: a recorded vote has been requested. those in support of a recorded vote will rise. a sufficient nu

mr. chaffetz. the gentlewoman from california, ms. lofgren, is recognized. >> thank you, mr. chairman, and thank you, mr. director, for being here. you have served your country with tremendous distinction and we are honored by your presence here today. i want to talk about technology. i remember visiting with you and looking at your plans for your new computer system many years ago, and i want to know where we are on that. it started in 2 thod for me with the virtual -- 2000 for me with the virtual case file. we spent a lot of money, that was abandoned in january of 2005. in 2006 the f.b.i. planned its new sentinal system, we spent a lot of money, over $425 million, that was i guess kind of rescoped in 2008 with an additional $26 million. but it wasn't finished by the target date. in 2009 it was extended again. in july of 2010 the second phase had more problems. and in september of 2010 the agency announce add plan to have the -- announced a plan to have the methodology with a new target completion date of september, which was not met. and then in october there was a, i under

mr. chaffetz. the gentlewoman from california, ms. lofgren, is recognized. >> thank you, mr.chairman, and thank you, mr. director, for being here. you have served your country with tremendous distinction and we are honored by your presence here today. i want to talk about technology. i remember visiting with you and looking at your plans for your new computer system many years ago, and i want to know where we are on that. it started in 2 thod for me with the virtual -- 2000 for me with the virtual case file. we spent a lot of money, that was abandoned in january of 2005. in 2006 the f.b.i. planned its new sentinal system, we spent a lot of money, over $425 million, that was i guess kind of rescoped in 2008 with an additional $26 million. but it wasn't finished by the target date. in 2009 it was extended again. in july of 2010 the second phase had more problems. and in september of 2010 the agency announce add plan to have the -- announced a plan to have the methodology with a new target completion date of september, which was not met. and then in october there was a, i unders

chaffetz, one to president obama dated february 9th, 2012 and one also to president obama dated may 17th, 2011, be placed in the record. both related to these vacancies. without objection, so ordered. mr. wiens, one quick question. in your opening statement you said that sometimes a vacancy can be good. i'm presuming that what that meant was sometimes creating a vacancy would be good but retaining a vacancy is never desirable. >> exactly. it's the initiation of that vacancy is what i meant. it creates the opportunity. >> thanks. no problem at all. i'm going to start with a question i know the answer to. that always makes it easier from the dais. mr. miller, are you familiar with white house liaisons that operate within, for example, gsa? >> generally. i've met i think each one. >> miss fong, you are, too? >> yes. >> and mr. wiens, are you familiar with how white house liaisons are placed in all of the branches of the executive branch? >> i'm not as familiar. >> okay. then i'll stick to my two igs for a moment. in your experience, isn't it true that these white house liaisons, regardless of who is in the white house, have pretty much unfettered access to information that they would cho