mr. chamorro. when he came back to power, it was preverse, it was corrupt. he made deals with the most corrupt members of society in the country. he made deals with the richest, the oligarchs, the private sector, he began to buy political parties, dismantle political parties, dismantle the legal institution and did everything so he had control. he bought all the networks. he has about 12 or 14 networks -- television networks. he had -- we only had one independent paper and one independent radio. he had control of everything. of the media, of the information. that's why he's not only killed the students, but he kills journalists as well. >> are important sectors of nicaraguan society turning away from ortega or are they still sticking with him? >> well, the most important one, the military, has come out and said they will not shoot at the population -- at the civilian population. that's really important for the time being. then you have, of course, the private sector who feel targeted in a way, feel shamed because of the deals -- some of them with the deals t