mr. chatfield. >> hopefully i will make it easier. cause of hearing was developed because because there was a concern had a something coming from the task force, they have already made a decision. so the commission wanted to ensure that that commission or that decision was sort of coming in. the presumption is a violation has occurred when had he come here. so the respondent has to show why the task force was incorrect in making that decision for you to move on the show-cause part, not chapter 3. so i don't know if that will necessarily -- that would wind up changing the entire show-cause procedure probably or basically taking the presumption of a violation occurred out, if that was to happen. >> i was trying to think outloud as to whether we could maintain that presumption while switching around the vote. but maybe not. >> can we simply say at a meeting attended by four or more commissioners. a meeting or meetings? >> you still run the risk. >> or participation of four or more commission members? >> you still run the risk of 2-2? >>