mr. cheseboro. so mr. grubman, floor is yours. and i think the idea would be to try to limit this to 20 to 30 minutes. we'll see where the discussion takes us. and go from there. >> would your honor, would it be acceptable for your honor if me and my co-counsel, mr. aurora, there's kind of a natural split, i'd like to talk about the kind of groups of facts that will go to both of our motions, both the motion to sever counts and the motion to sever from miss powell. i believe the court indicated you'd want to hear arguments on both. and then mr. aurora will talk more specifically about the statutory factors if that's okay with your honor. and it won't take more -- we won't take up more time than any one of us would have. >> okay. have at it. >> thank you, your honor. your honor, i want to start off by saying we recognize this is a rico prosecution. we recognize that. and we do recognize that part of rico is, you know, providing prosecutors, at least the state would argue this, and there is some case l

certainly, those who are heading to trial — ms powell and mr cheseboro, who heading to trial on octoberapproach trial, so that may put the pressure on them to make a similar decision like that of mr hall. and what about perhaps within the advisors and the team around the former president himself, donald trump? perhaps — they have the benefit of seeing this trial, this first trial against the lawyers go first, so they will have opportunity to see the evidence presented by the state, evaluate it and make a judgement call on how they should go forward. but, frankly, i think the former president is unlikely to resolve any of these cases short of trial. he appears to be very bent on persevering until the end in these matters. sarah krissoff, thank you very much for your insights. officials in the us state of nevada have charged a former gang leader in the murder of tupac shakur. the rap icon was gunned down in a drive—by shooting in las vegas in 1996. barbara plett usher has the details. tupac shakur is still one of the best selling and most influential rappers of all time. he took off after

mr. cheseboro or powell to achieve a fair trial for either defendant in this case. >> reporter: superiorudge scott mcafee, in court wednesday giving the glimpse of how he plans to handle the case in georgia, all in front of cameras allowed in the courtroom. ruling wednesday that defendants kenneth cheseboro and sidney powell, who both filed for a speedy trial, cannot be separated and will stand trial in weeks. >> we're disappointed. we filed a motion and it was denied. but we respect the court's ruling. >> reporter: now the issue before the court is whether it's realistic that all 19 defendants, including former president donald trump, be tried together. >> to say that all 19 defendants should be tried together, including ones that don't want to avail themselves of the speedy trial demand, is really just nonsensical. >> reporter: district attorney fani willis said from the beginning she wants to do just that. >> do i intend to try the 19 defendants in this indictment together? yes. >> reporter: but the judge expressing skepticism in court wednesday about that plan, and whether they can p

mr. cheseboro or ms. powell saying, look, you're going make this harder for me to prove my innocence as well as make me sit through their long proceedings. and the judge, i think, rightly saying, yeah, but that's actually not a harm to you in the sense of how we look at and balance the law here. but at the same time saying, look, it actually really does matter, because we all saw what happened to two black women in term os their lives because lies were told about them, and we have heard from them directly about the trauma to their lives. it is retraumatizing and it does matter. whether and how it impacts real people who have been victimized. i also think what's particularly interesting to me is a very real assessment of the differences in strategy between the district attorney in fulton county and jack smith's team. one went more surgical and one went broad. there are upsides and downsides to both. but in the hearing today we heard some of the downsides, which is there are real challenges to going fast an

if the government is ready to go, and cheseboro wants october 23rd, that's fine for him. other defendants, including mr more time, to push it past october 23rd, is unreasonable. i imagine the judge will grant it. but, to your point, you're not going to see 19 separate trials of 19 individuals. that is far too cumbersome. there is a presumption in the law that people who are indicted together, charged together, will be tried together. a few pieces may break off here or there, but you're not going to see, to your point, willie, 19 separate trials. >> chuck, there's been a sense that we've had this conversation on this show and other analysts have said, as well, that this case, the georgia case, the state case, would take a backseat, would be deferential to some of the federal matters, particularly the jack smith election interference trial in washington. seems like the d.a. doesn't necessarily want to do that, at least not publicly, at least not yet. how do you see this playing out in terms ofey the scheduling between the trials? when do you think they'll happen? >> jonathan, you put your finger on one o