mr. chesebro's view was the architect of this fake electors plot? >> mr. doesn't think there was a fake electors plot. abby, please, again, i know i'm repeating myself. but the fake electors plot was part of the rico conspiracy. and fani willis dismissed the rico charge. and the charge that he pled to has nothing to do with being the architect of the fake elector plot. and i will say and i will ask y themselves this question. if mr. chesebro was the architect of the fake elector plot, then would the district attorney of fulton county offer him five years' probation and first offender? i don't think she would. and that really just proves that while he did accept responsibility for count 15, that he was never the architect of the fake elector plot. and i think if you asked him who was, i think he would say there wasn't a fake elector plot. and there certainly wasn't an architect, and it certainly wasn't him. >> have any of the other codefendants in this georgia case reached out to your client? >> no. not to my knowledge. >> i want to also ask you about some

mr. chesebro was the architect of the fake elector scheme, if mr. tect of some plan to bring down democracy, which is what i've heard over and over for the last couple of months, both in court and out of court, with the district attorney of fulton county have offered him probation and first offender status? i think the answer is no. and i think if you asked her the answer, it would be no. so while mr. chesebro did take responsibility for conspiracy to commit filing false documents, i want to make something clear. he did not implicate anyone else. he implicated himself in that particular charge. and while he is required to go testify truthfully if he is called by the state, and mr. chesebro is a man of his word and he will testify truthfully if call by the state. the state has to decide at some point whether they think mr. testimony will help them, and if they believe it will help them they will call him and he will testify. at the same time, katie, i will say, if he is called by a defendant, he will come testify and testify truthfully. >> scott, list

mr. chesebro, raise your right hand. your hand and state your name. >> kenneth john chesebro. >> are you named in the indictment 23189947? >> yes. >> are you under the influence of any drugs, alcohol, or medication today? >> no. >> is there any medication you should be taking that you have not? >> no. >> how old are you? >> 62. >> are you able to read, write and understand the english language? >> yes. >> have you gone over the indictment with your attorney? >> yes. >> do you understand that you are charged with rico, count nine conspiracy to commit impersonaing a public officer, commit forgery, conspiracy to commit false filings in writings, conspiracy to false filings filing false documents, conspiracy to commit forgery, conspiracy to commit false statements in writing? >> yes. >> do you understand that the state has -- that this is the negotiated plea and as part of that, the state has agreed to move forward on count 15 only? >> yes. >> has your attorney advised you of the minimum and maximum sentence for count 15 whic

mr. chesebro the righted a violent we thought at the time. but it was his decision and his decision to put this case behind him. >> so this plea deal removed the racketeering and ric korks charges your client was facing. but in court, he a admitted conspired to put forward fake electors in georgia with then president trump. does that mean making that statement that he can implicate the former president in a crime? >> so i'm not trying to be too lawyerly, but i want to just correct something that may seem fairly minor, but i think is actually very significant. he admitted his role in preparing documents that at the time, he could acknowledge were false documents. . he admitted to a conspiracy to commit the filing of false documents. but i want to be clear about something. he did not implicate anyone else. ken chesebro is not interested in defending anyone. he's not interesting in defending trump, anyone, but he didn't implicate anyone he implicated himself. now a part of his plea deal is if he is called to testify, he will testify truthfully.

mr. chesebro. i think at the end of the day with the overwhelming evidence and the evidence submitted to the court saying it should be dismissed and the judge saying no, i think it was time, and if you're a defendant in this case, that's really the only out you would have. looking forward is what this means to the president himself. >> so just to refresh their roles in the georgia election. chesebro played a major role in the georgia election scheme. sidney powell assumed her role in coffee county, georgia. i guess they accessed and copied information from the election system to somehow prove that the election was rigged against trump. who presents a more serious threat to trump? >> i think really both of them do. you have to look at this in tandem and here's why. i know sidney powell pled guilty to misdemeanor charges as you know, looking to breach the system, to determine if there was any election fraud. there was not. remember she certainly had access to the president in terms of the white house

mr. chesebro was the architect of the fake elector scheme, if mr. chesebro was the architect of some plan to bring down democracy, which is what i've heard over and over the last couple of months, both in court and out of court. with the district attorney, fulton county, have offered him probation and first offender status? i think the answer is no. i think if you asked her, the answer would be no. >> so, what does all mean for the former president? i'm gonna speak to msnbc legal analyst, joyce vance coming up as well. we begin with a sliver of long relief in gaza. a convoy of 20 trucks crossing the border from egypt with food, water, medicine, no fuel though. although critical, the aid is being called just a drop in the bucket, as the gaza health ministry says those trucks carrying just 3% of what is needed on a daily basis. the red cross and the world health organization calling for a cease-fire. meanwhile, israeli airstrikes continuing, as gaza is bracing for a full ground innovation. with the idea now seeing plans to, quote, expand operational ac

mr. chesebro was unindicted coconspirator number five.articular state court indictment might have other implications in the federal case. i think we are all waiting to see -- where these part of a global deal for either defendant? had there been discussions with mr. smith? we don't know at this point. >> what would be the telltale signs of a global deal, if there was one? >> well, i think you would see maybe commitments to testify in the federal case. something along those lines, where there's a more direct tie. i'm just not aware of that so far. >> as you understand it, right now, we don't have dates for the rest of the defendants in the georgia case. >> right. >> do you think jack smith's case, which is set for march, is going to go before fani willis's case? >> i do think so. again, we don't have any other dates on the calendar for the state court case. what we do have is the court of appeals dealing with the removal issues in the december. i think that's going to take some time. probably will not have a decision that allows the defend

mr. chesebro, can you please raise your right hand? do you affirm the testimony you are about to give will be the truth, whole truth, so help you, god? >> yes. >> are you the kenneth john chesebro named in the indictment 23sc188947? >> yes. >> are you under the influence of any drugs, alcohol, or medication today? >> no. >> how old are you, and how far did you go in school? >> 62, i went through law school. >> are you able to read, write, and understand the english language? >> yes. >> treated there like any other defendant striking a plea. about the same a convict. does that matter for people to see this, professor? >> i mean, i think it's always important when individuals have a sense that the process is working and it works the same way for everyone. and i think the fact that the georgia proceedings have been televised have really hammered home for the public the way that all of this works. they've gotten an opportunity to see every turn of this case as it's proceeded. again, it's really worth noting here, this is perhaps unsurprisi

mr. chesebro does not have any felony convictions at all he has no criminal history. in if this case were to go to trial, the state would show the following. between november 18th of 2020 january 6th of 2021, the defendant and co-defendants donald trump, rudy giuliani, john charles eastman, ray staalings smith, robert david, michael roman and others entered into a criminal conspiracy to cause certain other coconspirators, including david schaffer, shawn micah thrasher and kathleen austin, to falsely hold themselves out as a duly elected and qualified electors for the president and vice president from georgia following the november 3rd, 2020 presidential election. the objectives of the criminal conspiracy included the following. one, to recruit certain individuals to falsely hold themselves out as a duly elected and qualified presidential electors, two, to create false electoral college dlts, including a false certificate of vote having been made by the authority of the electors from georgia. three, to falsely state that coconspirator donald trump had won all of georgi

mr. chesebro was the architect of the fake electors scheme, some sort of scheme to bring down democracy, which is what i've heard over and over for the last few months, would the district attorney of if you can fulton county have offered him first offender probation? i really don't think so, fredericka. i think this plea deal was offered because the evidence was not there that he was the architect of some fake elector scheme. mr. chesebro is willing to live with it and he'll fulfill the obligations he committed to when he signed his plea deal. in terms of whether he's flipping against anyone, he's simply going to tell the truth. if the jury decides that helps one side or the other, so be it. >> chesebro joins former trump attorney sidney powell, who also pleaded guilty this week. if you're keeping track, that now makes three of the 19 indicted in georgia to admit guilt for their roles in the plot to overturn the election results. joining us is former federal prosecutor michael veldon. so during friday's hearing chesebro admitted he conspired with trump to put forward fake electors in geo

mr. chesebro, ms. powell, jenna ellis come in, and this is streamlining proof. five months have been set aside for the chesebro trial, chesebro and powell trial because of the painstaking process, and now kit move much more quickly, and looking at ms. ellis' tearful presentation admitting that the falsehoods that donald trump still continues to push on the campaign trail were lies that she was misled, that is going to be very powerful for a jury. to his defense stands on two legs in georgia and federally, john, one is that he actually won the election and the other is that it is the factual predicate, and the other is the legal argument, and therefore i have the right to challenge itt in the way that i did. well, ms. ellis and ms. powell were purveyors of the falsehoods of him winning, and they have backed down and plead guilty, and mr. chesebro was a architect of the legal theory, and he has backed down, and so it is pulling the rug out from under donald trump's defense, and this is very, very ominous for him as a state and federal criminal defendant and the sa

mr. chesebro -- i believe. >> agreed there's a factual basis that supports this remaining charge? >> yes, this charge. >> if you asked mr. chesebro today who won the 2020 presidential election, he would say joe biden. >> if you asked him. well, who was asking? that's not a rhetorical question, as they day. d.a. willis' team could ask him as well as the other convicts under oath about that set of activities, that coup-related crime that now convicted fraud felony. this could ask what other co-defendants did. chesebro is less well known than, say, powell, but he worked with the very well known giuliani and eastman, both of whom of not only what went down in georgia, based on the evidence there, but stretched all the way back to washington, to the coup plot. to what jim jordan, ted cruz and others hoped to do in washington. with the lies crumbling and some of these convicted lawyers for donald trump now turning state's witness, the big question is a simple one. sometimes the big questions are simple. is this the beginning of many dominos falling or, against in fairness to the other d

mr. chesebro snitched against anyone. decided it was time for him to put this behind him and go on with his life. >> this was a significant win, a huge win really for the fulton county assistant district attorney's office. not only did they secure sidney powell thursday as a state witness against the former president but through they also have ken chesebro, two key witnesses as the fulton county distractive's office can narrow its case against former president donald trump. cnn atlanta. >>> meantime u.s. house republicans have no clear path forward after jim jordan failed to get enough republican votes to win the house speakership on his third floor involvement jordan also lost a secret ballot caucus held behind closed doors. several republicans jumped into the race after the party rejected jordan. it's unclear if any can get the 217 votes needed to win. the speaker vacuum was triggered by a block of hard line conservatives. without a speaker, the house is effectively frozen. it's an increasingly perilless situation among

mr. chesebro snitched against anyone. i think he simply decided it was time for him to put this behind him and go on with his life. >> why do you think he's saying that in that way? >> you know the old phrase, snitches get stitches. he doesn't want donald trump coming out saying this guy is coming after me. he's doing it anyway. it's happening. the reality is ken chesebro is going to have to testify against donald trump, certainly in georgia, maybe in the federal case. this is not going to go well for donald trump. trump world has got to be freaking out seeing powell and chesebro go down. powell knows a lot about what happened on the inside. while she didn't plead to the kind of charge chesebro did, both the felony involving that georgia plot. she pled to the stuff that happened in that one county. nonetheless, the fact that she knows all that stuff, and if she doesn't testify to stheir satisfaction, they can bring these dials back. all the rico charges, and yet, this is a vindcation of her strategies. >> if i can't get i

mr. chesebro snitched, i think it decided for him to put this behind him and go on with his life. >> thisas a significant win, a huge win really for the fulton county district attorney's office because not only did they secure sidney powell on thursday as a state witness against the former president and now they have ken chesebro. two key witnesses as the fulton county district attorney's office could narrow its case against former president donald trump. nick valencia, cnn. >>> and our thanks to nick in fulton county for that report. >>> donald trump punished today. related to a different court case. why he was fined thousands of dollars. that is next. >>>ellier today, a new york judge fined former president trump $5,000 for violating a gag order. judge arthur engeron banned them from speaking about any members of the court staff. the gag order was issued after trump attacked judge's clerk on his truth social page. the post was removed from truth social. but it was not erased from trump's campaign website. judge engoron called it a blatant violation of the gag order and warned that futur

mr. chesebro is trying to protect mr. trump or anyone else.l not call him to testify on their behalf. >> joining us now, former u.s. attorney for the northern district of alabama, now an msnbc legal analyst, our friend, joyce vance. good to see you. let's talk about this. you heard chesebro's lawyer said, well, trump should. be worried about that. should you be worried? >> you should also be worried if you're a defendant in a criminal case and your codefendant pleads guilty. in a situation like this, fani willis certainly sees value in chesebro's plea regardless of what his lawyer will stay in public. sometimes a smart lawyer will hedge their bets like this to protect their client. the reality is chesebro didn't have much if any in the way of direct contact with donald trump, and the people who will really feel the pressure from his plea will be the other layer lawyers. if they then decide to plead guilty and cooperate, donald trump will have something to be concerned about. >> talk about what happens here. this is the third guilty plea. obvio

mr. chesebro's attorney on this network and another network today said his clients did not complicate anyonen i. one you can't commit a conspiracy alone. it requires two more people. so when he pled guilty to conspiracy, his plea necessarily implicated his name coconspirators. john eastman, donald trump, and rudy giuliani. >> so anna, let's talk about that. because again, chesebro's attorney was on with my colleague katie fan earlier today, and that's where he met his comments. what are some of the other lawyers for these other defendants, remember, there were 19 folks initially charged in this conspiracy case. what are they saying, what are your sources telling you about the concern of these pollydale? 's because these are not low-level. folks sydney powell was at the top. she wasn't all the, masons on all the, emails as was kenneth chesebro. >> right, so i think catherine is exactly right. i've heard also, steve sago has echoed what scott grubman, can chesbrough's attorney wasn't this morning on katie phang's show. he said it is significant, you know, the r.i.c.o. charge was dismissed for

mr. chesebro estimated the, quote, odds the court would grant effective relief before january 6th i'd saynly 1%, but he wrote the fin has possible political value. he added that, que, the plic should come away from this believing the election was likely rigged and stolen by biden and harris who were not legitimately elected. the e-mails in question were reviewed by the newspaper. chesebro's fulton county rico trial will begin this month. he is scheduled to be one of the first of the 18 codefendants to appear in court after requesting a speedy trial. he has pleaded not guilty and insists any work he did after the 2020 election was within his capacity as a lawyer. >>> elsewhere, douglas mackey, a social media influencer known as rickey vaughn, was sentenced yesterday to seven months in prison for interfering with the 2016 election. mackey, who was a supporter of the former president, of trump was convict of running a scam back then that fooled hundreds of thousands of hillary clinton supporters into believing they could vote by text message. mackey was prosecuted under the ku klux klan act

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mr. chesebro, is what exactly he will say. he's got an obligation to testify truthfully.to jail. his deal is that he gets probation if he testifies truthfully. and he will have evidence with respect to coconspirators. he may not have direct evidence against donald trump, but he has direct evidence against rudy giuliani and john eastman. and i am if i am one of the two of them, it's not a good day because they are both reported to be unindicted coconspirators in the federal case. they are indicted conspirators in the georgia case. and they are now somebody with direct evidence who can testify against them. and as barbara said, what he has pled, to unlike what sydney powell pled to, is something that is core to the january 6th scheme. he has now admitted, as part of his guilty plea, that he was part of a scheme to defraud the voters of georgia, to overturn their votes in the presidential election. >> that is central to the georgia indictment. amy lee copeland, i think we have you back, we fix the issue. let me ask you about, everybody involved in the georgia case has done e

mr. chesebro for monday? will you withdraw that speedy demand and decide whether or not you want to re-evaluate it? sidney powell may have incriminating information about ke chebro who we know has beenled the architect of the plans to overturn the election and so now you haveenth chesebro who was a law f trump and the trump mpaign, himself, but sidney powell will ke be called by the state of georgia in that trial if he decides to go on monday. >> barbara, do you think what is happening here in this georgia case could have some significance to special counsel jack smith's investigation? >> i do. to the extent that they now might have access to sidney powell as a potential witness, it could be very valuable. in the federal case, jack smith was very narrow in his focus and charged only donald trump in that case. he does, though, talk about other co-conspirators and one of them is most certainly sidney powell because of the description where even donald trump referred to her as having some crazy theories and that

mr. chesebro, is what exactly he will say. he's got an obligation to testify truthfully.an go to jail. his deal is that he gets probation if he testifies truthfully. and he will have evidence with respect to coconspirators. he may not have direct evidence against donald trump, but he has direct evidence against rudy giuliani and john eastman. and i am if i am one of the two of them, it's not a good day because they are both reported to be unindicted coconspirators in the federal case. they are indicted conspirators in the georgia case. and they are now somebody with direct evidence who can testify against them. and as barbara said, what he has pled, to unlike what sydney powell pled to, is something that is core to the january 6th scheme. he has now admitted, as part of his guilty plea, that he was part of a scheme to defraud the voters of georgia, to overturn their votes in the presidential election. >> that is central to the georgia indictment. amy lee copeland, i think we have you back, we fix the issue. let me ask you about, everybody involved in the georgia case has

mr. trump. >> anna, when we talk about ken chesebro his trial is of right now full steam ahead.o you get the sense there's buyers remorse in asking for a speedy trial if you're ken chesebro given he's the cheese stands alone as it were? >> i'm not quite sure, alex. i reached out earlier today to chesebro's attorneys. they were not yet prepared to comment. i will say this was something i think took everyone off-guard including i think multiple defense attorneys. so i think that they were taking some time to process this news. but, you know, ken chesebro has a very different case than sidney powell did. he had previously asked to be severed from sidney powell. he wanted to stand alone, and indeed the cheese is now standing alone, and i think, you know, there's potential upside for him there because some of the more serious allegations about coffee county will have maybe les of a spotlight in this upcoming trial, so he can try to minimize the seniorness of that now he's no longer standing next to sidney powell, but all is quiet in terms of that legal team at the moment. and we're a

kenneth chesebro was criminally charged alongside 19 others, including mr trump, for his role in whaton. mr trump's former lawyer sidney powell struck a similar deal yesterday. meanwhile, thejudge in mr trump's new york civil fraud trial has reprimanded him for violating an order barring him from attacking court staff. thejudge said mr trump had posted "untrue and disparaging" remarks about a court clerk and failed to remove them from his website. on friday night, a judge in mr trump's federal trial paused a similar gag order, according to court records. argentina goes to the polls this weekend in the first round of presidential elections. the front—runner is economist javier milei, who touts himself as an outsider and is often compared to donald trump. in a country where inflation is running at more than 100%, he has offered some radical solutions to shake up the economy. milei's campaign has largely played out on tiktok, as katy watson explains. this is the man attempting to take a chainsaw to argentina's status quo. javier milei likes to offer up drastic solutions to offer up drast

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mr. trump in the state of georgia. he's fighting a case of election interference in the 2020 election. today one of his co-defendants struck a plea deal with prosecutors. kenneth chesebro agreed to plead guilty to filing false documents. he's testifying to keep handing over evidence as part of the deal. in exchange he's facing probation and community service. chesebro is the third defendant to reach a deal with prosecutors in the case. >>> new evidence in the sam bankman-fried trial may show he poured $50 million into dark money groups. he is a palo alto native to faces fraud charges after the collapse of his cryptocurrency exchange ftx last year. prosecutors released new documents alleging he and his allies contributed to groups that do not disclose the names of donors. they claim some of the money went to nonprofits aligned with senate minority leader mitch mcconnell and other senior republican senators. other contributions were made to groups linked to democratic senate majority leader chuck schumer and a wide range of obscure groups that quietly influence politics. he faces life in prison if convicted. >>> this is a nightmare situation. trying to call 911. a mother

mr. trump's criminal attorney tonight dismisses the idea that this plea is a blow to him, saying it's favorable to his defense strategy it's unclear how meantime, jury selection for ken chesebroone of the other co-defendants in this case, is still set to begin tomorrow with a trial set for monday lester >> all right, laura jarrett, thank you. >>> and there is even more chaos in congress over the effort to elect a new house speaker. ryan nobles has been watching it play out by the hour. ryan, what happened today? >> reporter: lester, the current gop nominee, jim jordan, floated the idea today of allowing patrick mchenry, the current speaker pro tempore, to have temporary powers that would allow him to bring legislation to the floor. but the conservatives in his conference roundly rejected that idea and as a result, jordan said that he was still in the race to win the speakership. but late tonight, jordan met with a group of those holdouts many of them emerging from that meeting saying that there's no possible way that jordan will ever win over their support jordan has now said the next vote could take place as early as 10:00 friday morning as of this moment, though, the congre

former president is that chesebro has now admitted that one of the central parts of this scheme to reverse trump's election loss was not some legal strategy, but, in fact, was a crime. mrlegal team saying tonight that this plea was the result of the state's, quote, looming threat of prison time. >> then there's drama also in the trump civil fraud case here in new york, and it's something that started with social media. >> that's right, and it's actually not as bad as it could have been for the former president. the judge handing down a $5,000 fine tonight against mr. trump for posting a disparaging photo of the judge's law clerk. now, he took one down from his social media site after the judge made him, but he kept one up on his campaign website for days. mr. trump's attorney saying, it was all a big mistake, but the judge found it to be a violation of the order that he imposed weeks ago warning that further violations could result in potential jail time, tom. >> all right, laura jared for us. laura, great to see you. >>> coming up, a judge in maryland shot and killed in his driveway shortly after ruling in a child custody case. the father in that case now the main sus

mr. trump's criminal attorney tonight dismisses the idea that this plea is a blow to him, saying it's favorable to his defense strategy. it's unclear how. meantime jury selection for ken chesebroe of the other co-defendants in this case is still set to begin tomorrow with a trial set for monday. lester? >> laura jarrett, thank you. >>> there is even more chaos in congress over the effort to elect a new house speaker. ryan nobles has been watching it play out by the hour. ryan, what happened today? >> lester, the current gop nominee jim jordan floated the idea of giving patrick mchenry, the current speaker pro tem temporary powers that would allow legislation to move to the floor. but the conservatives in his conference soundly rejected that idea. and as a result, jordan said that he was still in the race for speaker and that there would be votes in the near future. but late tonight, jordan emerged with a group of holdouts, and those holdouts said they are unmoved by jordan's pitch to try to win over their votes. in fact, many said they will never support him for speaker. jordan has yet to say when the next vote will take place. as a result tonight, the congress remains paralyz

kenneth chesebro's was on the fraudulent elector scheme to get electors for trump to meet and cast their votes and submit those to the president to count, even though mr. now with jenna ellis, her role according to her plea was on that pressure and the false statements made to the georgia senate judiciary committee as part of the effort to pressure senators to actually substitute a slate of trump electors for the legitimate slate of biden electors in georgia. that included many, many statements that were false, including that literally over 100,000 people voted who weren't qualified to vote. those were false statements. everyone else who is indicted is now thinking, okay, now there's a cooperating witness who has information about the phase of this conspiracy that might relate to me. the more that fani willis and her team obtain pleas covering this rico conspiracy, the more pressure on others to plead. to see that the case -- the state's case is strong enough to get these people, including some very high level individuals in trump's orbit to plead guilty, has got to make people feel nervous about the case against them. >> meanwhile, dasha, what are we

chesebro, became the second lawyer in his orbit to take a plea deal in the georgia election conspiracy case. chesbrough's lawyer, scott graham, and now downplaying his role in the fake elector scheme. >> if mritect of the fake elector scurry, if mr. chesbrough was the architect of some time to bring down democracy, which is what i've heard over the last couple months, wealth in court and out of court, would the district attorney of fulton county have offered him probation, and first offender status? i think the answer is no, and i think you answer her, the answer would be no. >> joining me now is christie greenberg, former deputy chief of the criminal division at the southern district of new york. you are shaking your head, so i'm going to ask you, your thought, on what he just said? >> well, this does not sound like a star prosecution witness to me. we know that both kenneth chesebro and sidney powell agreed to testify truthfully. and that they each gave a video statement to the georgia state prosecutor, but we don't know what is in those video statements. we just don't know how helpful they actually are to the prosecution, and when you have chesbrough's lawyer saying not just that, that h

options, so far what you're seeing from sidney powell, from chesebro, from jenna ellis, and others, taking the no jail plea route. should mrbviously. i mean, ellis might be able to give you giuliani. giuliani might be able to give you others although he would probably be the worst witness ever in the history of the planet. but there will be other dominos to fall as people make these risk assessments and try to narrow their own exposure. >> yeah. and their own exposure for a good reason. and the reason is that they're lying. they've been -- everybody knew they were lying all along. even their supporters knew they were lying. they continued to lie. even as 63 federal courts said they were lying. even as donald trump called them trump supreme court. even as the supreme court said they were lying. that there was no evidence of widespread voter fraud. there was no evidence of voter fraud that would overturn the election. even trump's trumpiest, most loyal supreme court justices, clarence thomas and samuel alito, wrote a concurrence in the pennsylvania case saying we understand, there are not enough votes here to overturn any el