mr. cia, it started in 1979 in iran with the taking of our hostages by muslim terrorists. then they started killing us. 1993, the world trade center bombing. 2000, the uss cole. 2001, the twin towers. the pentagon, pennsylvania. and you think you're going to piss these people off? they already hate us. how do we know who the enemy is if you don't identify them? there are all kinds of terrorists. morel, you lied to us, you lied to congress, you knew it wasn't a video and you purgered yourself. you are a political -- and then, even though the truth was that our cia warned us and you about the dangers in benghazi, you take that out. and your reason? this would have been seen as an attempt to make the cia look good. look good? it was the truth. mr. cia, you didn't just sell your agency to the politics of the obama reelection campaign and the kovup for the hillary 2016 campaign, you sold your soul and you purgered yourself for money, now making a fortune now working for one of hillary's dearest fr

mr. clinton then cia director threatened to resign if pollard were released. now, the issue is back on the table. and at a time when israel is showing reluctance to release palestinian prisoners. as demanded. but if pollard were released, the current palestinian deadlock would presumably be eased. >> question, how much interest does israel have in jonathan's release? mort zuckerman. >> i don't think it's decisive by a wide margin. people like robert gates and henry kissinger and head of the cia at the time all think he should be released because his sentence -- >> and netanyahu. >> he is directly involved. i'm just saying his sentence was considered to be really disproportioned, given the fact israel was an ally and providing information for israel. be that as it may, i don't believe you do that. i happen to be immigrant to this country. you put the united states first if you're an american citizen. i do not approve of what he did. >> he's long been considered a potential bargaining chip in these negotiations. and when john kerry, the secretary of state, evide

this comes after the director of the cia, mr. brennan made a visit to ukraine and russians are using that against the u.s. >> interesting because the ukranians in the early days, showed restraint and their army and military has not fought back. but is there a concern that if the ukranians need it stand up here, that might give putin an excuse to say, i have to go in here with the tens of thousands of russian troops that are on the border? >> it is the excuse they are waiting for. and that is the going bet. once this starts in earnest and the ukranians push back and they are announcing the counter terrorism operation is underway, the russians would step in. there is a scheduled meeting in geneva with european leaders and the russians and the russian foreign minister la vrov said if there is gunfire that meeting on their side is off. >> you have the sanks that are in place and they are going to be ratcheted up. and it seems like the russians have not slowed or stopped at all and only seems to be increasing. >> and the meetings that

mr. morell said the cia never told her that a video caused a protest.did she get the information about a video? she also said that the con salute was strongly substantially and significantly secured. who told her that? that's not in the talking points. here is what i would say to speaker boehner there is a conflict of interest all staring us in the face. the lead investigator for the republican house intel committee is now in business with mike morell. the lead investigator of the house republican intelligence committee is also in business with hillary clinton's gate keeper. i think this justifies a new process and a new look. you're losing a lot of information by doing this in a segmented fashion. if you had had the station chief at this hearing when the station chief auto school -- at this hearing. it would have made mike morell's testimony look differently. >> i have got to go or we are going to get cut off. >> i'm sorry. >> that's all right. nice to see you sir. >> we need a select committee. >> and now it's time to show you what we are watching. pu

>> this was the cia's considered judgment at the time , a written product produced. >> all of the community had signed off on the product. >> right. >> one of the problems here mr. morell discharge day and the diplomatic security officials all the dod officials and all the cia station personnel and benghazi have all reported by this time that the assault began as a preplanned attack not a protest. so in other words the product that you were using on the 13th was contradicted by every single person that was on the ground in libya. >> didn't know it at the time sir. didn't know it until saturday morning when the chief of station sent an e-mail. >> what were you guys talking about then in the deputy committee's meeting that occurred on the 12th in the 13th? >> on the 12 there was no discussion of a protest. there was no discussion of a protest on the 12. on the 13th any discussion of the protest would have been based on the classified product that was produced that morning. >> but in all the discussions were you ever involved in any discussions with aaa? >> yes. >> on the 12th and 13th? >> they run the screen on the 12th and i believe the 13th >> what did they say

then tomorrow to morell has to be all of the reports, not some, all of the reports from the cia, your own agency, mr. morell from the ground in libya said the protest doesn't have anything to do with it. however, you put forth that they did. right? opening question? >> it won't be the opening. set that up. other information mr. morell third committee testimony he will give. two of them happened in classified session the tway should to protect classified information and the individuals involved. this is that first open hearing for the highest highest official involved in the benghazi event and i think it's important to set the station but that question has to be answered. it absolutely has to be answered. >> there is a chance he will take the fifth. if he lies to you. >> i hope he doesn't do that he told us that he is going to come and be truthful i have encouraged them to show up and be get the truth out and put the thing behind us and country by determining the truth. the folks on the ground the cite people were telling the state's people hey you need to change your configuration here it's really d

cia. excuse me, mr. morell, you have been there for so many years and seen brave men and women put their lives in harms way time and time again. is this the message we want to send to people on the front lines? all this time can go by and the u.s. cannot bring these thugs to justice? >> i agree with you 100%. there is nobody who wants to bring these guys to justice more than me, you know why. >> i know that and i appreciate it. the problem we have got is that we cannot get anyone in the great united states of america. this government, with all the resources we have to bear, we get all kinds of stories about why this cannot happen. if it was a month later or two months later we might say ok, there might be some reasons why. this is a long time. this is a long time. i think we send a message to anyone else who wants to pull this kind of a stock that maybe the u.s. is not so serious about all this. i do not blame this on you. for anyone wondering why this is going on, this is why it is going on and should n

cia and meet with all of the analysts. i just don't understand it. it sounds like somebody's getting thrown under the bus. mr. morell, when one of the cia personnel survivors who retired and left the cia, they told me they were leaving the cia because they didn't want to be left to die again, okay? that upsets me and i think it should upset you. >> if that's the way they feel it upsets me. >> so here is another problem with this. as it a relates to the personnel. the cia personnel, they have the right to make complaint with oig , write? there were oig complaints filed as it related to these benghazi attacks, weren't there are? >> i am not aware of. >> you are not aware that there were complaints filed to the oig? >> you no, i don't remember. i'm not aware specifics. i'm not aware of when they happened. >> i assume you have this. did you ever ask cia inspector general david buckley not to conduct an investigation? >> no. he may have briefed the director at some point but i do not recall. cfa said earlier he didn't know. >> i'm saying he may have reached us. i do not remember. >> did you talk to david petraeus a

mr. morell for coming before the committee come even after you retire. your service for the country over 30 years of exemplary and we owe you and the people at cia that, especially those in plain hotspots around the world. mr. chairman, thank you and i yield back. >> thank you for the kind words, mr. wrappers berger. and the remaining months i know you'll be ranking member david chairman. before turning to the witness, this is an investigative hearing. we are going to share the witness him before he testifies. this is the prerogative of every committee chair. it has not been the custom here at the intelligence community. so while it is always against the law to provide ultimatums to the congress, the gravity of the preceding and the need to tell the full and complete truth. so what not, i would ask mr. morell if he would please the end. hold on. not too much longer. could you please raise your right hand? do solemnly spread that the testimony you will give before this committee will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you god? let the record reflect the witness is answered in the affirmative. mr. morell, please be seated and i do want

on september 11, 2012, when the attack is not even over and the cia annex was still threatened, mrs.nton's office issued a press statement reading in part we condemn the attack on a mission in benghazi. they have it as a response or inflammatory material posted on the internet. but me be clear, there is never any justification for violent acts of this kind. we don't know if the e-mail was following the state department's lead or vice versa. the administration has never offered the specific intelligence was that asked them to connect the video to benghazi. jenna: the timing of it all is significant. thank you. jon: in the meantime have a clinton's replacement, secretary of state john kerry weighing in on escorting crisis in ukraine. why he says russia's role is being driven solely by president vladimir putin. and new information on the amanda knox case. what a court is saying about the night of the murder. the role knox played in the death. if i told you that a free ten-second test could mean less waiting for things like security backups and file downloads you'd take that test, right?

fortress of secrecy and did that by prosecuting a series of criminal cases against cia's own employees, similar to mr. snowden, who tried to go public at various times with various pieces of information. one of them was named victor marketty, one was phillip agee, one was david smith. i have that name wrong. anyway, and all -- frank. and with each of these individuals, the cia gained something in terms of its ability to preserve secrecy. in one case it gained the able to take your income by claiming that it was damaged by your disclosure. and in another case, the agency gained the ability to tie an individual to a life-long legal agreement that would prohibit them or inhibit them from revealing any information they had gained in service of the agency. and in the third case, they gained the ability to monitor exactly what any employee wrote. the combination of those things, plus it normal secrecy protection responsibility role, gave the cia this kind of fortress of secrecy. >> a gentleman in pink shirt back there. >> okay. what is it going to take to re-investigate 9/11, architects and engineers, a co

cia knew that for a fact. it's worth noting now mike morell works for an outfit called beacon global strategies. a partner there is a close friend of hillary clinton. and mr. morell was very chairitable to the state department after the attack. what is the headline for you on the hear something >> is that former deputy director of the cia defended his conduct and said politics were never injected into the analysis of what happened at benghazi but he was forced to admit he was told by the cia station chief on the ground in triopoli there had been no protests and he, morell decided to disregard that and to with the judgment of the intelligence community saying no, there was a protest he took their word. this is in essence akin to pleading over crook. there is certain thing that's morell said that be open to question. his assertions the white house made no substantive changes to the famous benghazi talking points we've shown in our reporting how jn brennan struck a reference to broad sectors of the libyan society. this is 11 of many changes made by the white house. >> all right. now, morell came off as a wishy washy kind of guy. because he said well, i belie

down to the cia and meet with all these analysts and explain this to me. >> i'm sure they would welcome it. >> i sure don't understand it. sounds like somebody is getting thrown under the boss. mrell, when one of the survivors, cia personnel survivors who is growing to retire, leave the cia, you know what they told me? they told me they were leaving the cia because they don't want to be left to die again. okay? and that upsets me and i think it should upset you. that's the way they feel. >> if that's the way they feel it upsets me. >> so here's another problem with this. as it relates to the personnel, so the cia personnel, they have the right to make a complaint with the oig. >> uh-huh. >> right? there were oig complaints filed as related to these benghazi attacks, weren't there? >> i'm not aware. >> you're not aware that there, that there were complaints filed to the oig? jon: well the fireworks continue on capitol hill. congressman devin nunez of california there, talking with mike morell, the former cia director, about what happened the night of the benghazi attacks. a night when apparently cia officials on the ground in benghazi said this was not caused by some kind of a p

mr. morell thank you for being here in your years of service to the cia. i wanted to stand that are the deputies meeting on the 13th and your subsequent edits to the talking points. were you all having daily deputy meetings at this time? >> yes sir we were having twice daily deputy meetings. >> so twice a day on the 13th on the 14th of the 15th you would have these videoconference meetings in which you participated as a deputy for the cia? >> that's correct. >> i assume there would you deputy from state and defense as well as members of the white house national security staff. >> via the i, doj, nctc. >> so as we reviewed the e-mails e-mails -- let me backup back up for just a minute. as best you remember the deputies meetings the two deputies meetings on the 14th ipers m. benghazi had to be a major issue that you all discussed. >> it was not sir. we were not looking backwards at that point. we were looking forward so the focus of all of these deputy meetings particularly the ones on saturday and sunday -- susan rice was on the sunday shows and i was on th

mr. poteat is a retired senior cia scientific intelligence officer and the president of the association of former intelligence officers also known as actio. he was educated as an electrical engineer and physicist and he holds a masters in statecraft of national security tears from iw p. i believe the class of 2009 and in his career and intelligence has included work with u2 and sr 71 class of aircraft and various space and nato reconnaissance systems. he also managed the cia's worldwide network of monitoring type, was patents on covert communications techniques. you cia assignments included the directorate of science and technology he, the national reconnaissance office, technical director of the navy special programs, office and executive director of the intelligence research and development council. he served abroad in london, scandinavia, the middle east and asia and he's received the cia's medal of merit and the national reconnaissance office is meritorious civilian award for his logical innovation. following mr. poteat lecture we are going to be brief five minute break we'll ask if yo

cia knew that for a fact. it's worth noting now mike morell works for an outfit called beacon global strategies. a partner there is a close friend of hillary clinton. and mr. morell was very chairitable to the state department after the attack. what is the headline for you on the hear something >> is that former deputy director of the cia defended his conduct and said politics were never injected into the analysis of what happened at benghazi but he was forced to admit he was told by the cia station chief on the ground in triopoli there had been no protests and he, morell decided to disregard that and to with the judgment of the intelligence community saying no, there was a protest he took their word. this is in essence akin to pleading over crook. there is certain thing that's morell said that be open to question. his assertions the white house made no substantive changes to the famous benghazi talking points we've shown in our reporting how jn brennan struck a reference to broad sectors of the libyan society. this is 11 of many changes made by the white house. >> all right. now, morell came off as a wishy washy kind of guy. because he said well, i belie

mr. morell for be willing to come before the committee even after you retired. your service to this country over 30 years has been exemplary and we owe people you and in cia led especiallyspots around the world a tremendous debt of gratitude. mr. chairman, and i yield back. >> thank you for the kind words, mr. ruppersberger. we have continued to work in bipartisan way and continue to that you will be ranking member and i will be chairman. thank you for that. before turning to our witness, as this is an investigative hearing we're going to swear the witness in before he testifies. this is the prerogative of every committee chair it has not been custom here at the intelligence committee. so while it is always against the law to provide false statements to congress, the act of swearing in a witness impresses upon him or her the gravity of the proceeding and the need to tell the full and complete truth. so with that, i would ask mr. morell if you would please stand. and hold on. make sure i get the, not too much longer. there it is. could you please raise your right hand. do you solemnly swear that the testimony you will give before this committee will be the truth, the who

cia. excuse me, mr. morell, you have been there for so many years and seen brave men and women put their lives in harms way time and time again. is this the message we want to send to people on the front lines? all this time can go by and the u.s. cannot bring these thugs to justice? >> i agree with you 100%. there is nobody who wants to bring these guys to justice more than me, you know why. >> i know that and i appreciate it. the problem we have got is that we cannot get anyone in the great united states of america. this government, with all the resources we have to bear, we get all kinds of stories about why this cannot happen. if it was a month later or two months later we might say ok, there might be some reasons why. this is a long time. this is a long time. i think we send a message to anyone else who wants to pull this kind of a stock that maybe the u.s. is not so serious about all this. i do not blame this on you. for anyone wondering why this is going on, this is why it is going on and should n

mr. morell and the interface that senator graham and senator and ayotte had with him. the then deputy director of the cia works for an affiliated organization with hillary clinton, he didn't tell us the truth about who did change the talking points. he said the fbi did it. it wasn't. he was the one. and there was -- at the end of the day, it was people in the white house that put the final touches on the talking points which were absolutely false. the station chief in libya sent a message, not slash not a spontaneous demonstration. >> here's what the house speaker told megyn kelly the other night. >> there's nobody, nobody more determined to get to the truth than i am. these committees all have subpoena power. at this point in time, i see no reason to break up all the work that's been done and to take months and months and months to create some select committee. >> now, are you -- what is the reluctance of speaker boehner? have you talked to him about a select committee on this issue? >> i've talked to him about it but obviously he doesn't maybe share the view. we think only a select committee, senator g

mr. chairman, none of what i said should be interpreted to mean we at the cia did everything right.no organization ever does. there are things we should have done differently. there are areas where the cia performance and my own performance could have been better. but none of our actions were the result of political influence in the intelligence process, none. let me touch on three specific issues. one, the cia analysts, the most talented and highly trained analysts said the government concluded less than 24 hours after the attack that a protest had preceded the assault on the state department's facility in benghazi. they arrived at this initial judgment with good reason and without any input from the white house, the state department, or the cia leadership. the judgment was coordinated across the intelligence community which meant that it was a judgment of the entire community, not just the cia. as you know, subsequent information revealed the judgment to be incorrect. but, and let me emphasize this, our analysts reached their judgment because that is where the best available infor

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mr. chairman, none of what i just said should be interpreted to mean that we at the cia did everything right. no organization ever does. >> i am pleased to have michael morrell at the table for the first time. i also take note of the fact that he is a contributing analyst at cbs where i work. i am least to have him at this table for the first time. welcome. >> it is great to be here. >> we want to talk about what you testified and what you hope to accomplish by that testimony. let me begin from the beginning. what was your job when you first heard about benghazi? >> i was the number two at the central intelligence agent. i was dave petraeus' number two at the time. they woke me up the first time to tell me about the attack on the state department complex and by the time they woke me up, they told me about the attack. they told us that our officers on the base in benghazi had gone to the state department facility to help rescue the state department folks and that they had brought them back to our compound, where there was a second attack that our officers repulsed. then they told me everythin

>> congresswoman michele bachmann grilled the cia guy who changed the benghazi report to it help out the obama administration including hillary clinton. mrse here tonight. also ahead, miller on

. >> reporter: when morrell retired from the cia he hoped to advise a presidential campaign with anonymous sources saying morrell was close to mrsclinton. >> quickly, did morrell know about the contradiction with petraeus? >> he said initially he couldn't remember and then he comes back and said no i first learned a day before the director resigned and that was pushed back again by congressman king. >> okay. we'll follow it. >> a matter of life and death for a cancer patient critical of obamacare, and just how far will some people go to get rid of toronto's flamboyant mayor? the grapevine is next. cucina mia for just $9.99. first, choose unlimited soup or salad. then create your own pasta with one of five homemade sauces. and finish with dessert. three courses, $9.99. at olive garden. ♪ ♪ ♪ millions have raised their hand for the proven relief of the purple pill. and that relief could for many, nexium helps relieve heartburn symptoms from acid reflux disease. find out how you can save at purplepill.com. there is risk of bone fracture and low magnesium levels. side effects may include headache, abdominal pain, and diarrhea if you

mr. vice president there. dick cheney's certitude is being challenged in a senate intelligence report on the cia's detention andnterrogation program itself. the 6300 page report remains classified. "the washington post" reporters interviewed current and former u.s. officials with knowledge of it who said the report concludes the cia misled the government and the public about torture program, concealed details about severity of methods, overstated significance of plots and prisoners, took credit for critical pieces of intelligence that detainees had given up before being subjected to torture. again, dick cheney defended the torture program and the caliber of a detainee that it targeted. >> it is a fact that only detainees of the highest intelligence value were ever subjected to enhanced interrogation. >> but according to "the washington post" in today's front page story, the senate intelligence committee review will show, quote, the detainees' credentials were exaggerated. tomorrow senator dianne feinstein who chairs the select committee on intelligence is expected to hold a vote on her 15-member committee on wh

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mr. chairman, none of what i just said should be interpreted to mean that we at the cia did everything right. no organization ever does. >> charlie: i am pleased to have michael morell at the table for the first time. also in the interest of full disclosure, i take note to have the fact he is a contributing analyst for cbs news where i also work and we've had many conversations at the anchor desk over there about national security issues but i'm pleased to have him at this table for the first time. welcome. >> great to be here, charlie, thank you. >> charlie: we want to talk about what you testified and obviously what you hope to accomplish by that testimony. but let me just begin from the beginning. what was your job when you first heard about benghazi? >> i was the number two at the central intelligence agency. i was the deputy director, i was dave petraeus' deputy at the time. >> charlie: how did you hear about it? >> so i was traveling overseas. i was in amman, jordan. my staff actually woke me up in the middle of the night to tell me about what was happening in benghazi. >> charlie: wha

>> congresswoman michele bachmann grilled the cia guy who changed the benghazi report to it help out the obama administration including hillary clinton. mrs. bachmann will be here tonight. also ahead, miller on noah. maria bart roma on whether the stock market is rigid and martha maccallum on a big victory against child predators. caution, you are about to enter the no spin zone. the factor begins right now. ♪ ♪ >>> hi, i'm bill o'reilly. thanks for watching us tonight. another mass murder in america. that is the subject of of this evening's talking points memo. once again, fort hood, texas the scene of horrible violence. yesterday 34-year-old army specialist ivan lopez apparently berserk shooting three people dead then he committed suicide. major nidal hasan murdered 13 people at fort hood in a terror attack. he has been sentenced to death. sergeant hughes said this about lopez. >> he did have detwo deployments including four month approximately four month deployment to iraq as a truck driver. his records show no wounds, no involvement direct involvement in combat. >> lopez was having emotional and mental problems. he was being treated.

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mr. ronald marks. a number of increasingly senior positions with the cia. he could kill you. senator bob dole. he was special assistant to the associate director. he was at the state department as a program director for law enforcement issues in russia and eastern europe. and a senior budget director at the national reconnaissance office. since leaving government, he has been a senior defense contractor and software executive. he comments extensively on a defense and intelligence issues. i am thrilled to have wrong with us here today. houk.s left is mr. kevin he is an established bitcoin miner. he studies security and risk analysis and he will be working for block chain.info in their london office. the cyber-patriot competition team. secure how well one can computers from viruses and backdoors. his team came in second place among the 1600 teams. not bad for the work he did. he interned with the north are from a -- northrop grumman co rportation. as directoraley, for cyber infrastructure for attention at the white house, he coordinatesor efforts to secure cyberspace and critical infrastructure

>> congresswoman michele bachmann grilled the cia guy who changed the benghazi report to it help out the obama administration including hillary clinton. mrsmann will be here tonight. also ahead, miller on

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morell retired from the cia he said in his exit interview that he wanted to advice a presidential campaign in the future and anonymous sources said that he was very close to mrs. clinton. so what you see here is he removed factual warnings that only helped the state department and in effect damaged the cia. >> wow, what a development. >> thank you. >> we'll talk more about that coming up. in the mean tile new concerns about an obama administration plan to give up control of the internet and what could happen if the foreign government like russia or china could get the chance to empower over the web. we're live in washington looking at this. >> you know, most people have never heard of i cam but it controlled the internet, sends users to proper websites, controls domain names and assigns addresss. the department of commerce watchs to transfer that to the international community when its contract runs out in september of 2015 and that has raised tremendous concern, especially among conservatives. >> crossed any other government, the chinas of the world, russias to control that which they seek not have available, even to their own population. i don't want americ

does this have for the future of organizations like the nsa and cia and how they will deal with those problems. grniture gelman -- for mr. ellman, how will the media respond and interact with this information? >> i will go first and go quick. we have to recruit for the generation that produced bradley manning and edward snowden. that is a rowdy. -- reality. that generation has a different compass to transparency than my generation. that is a reality. my committee will have to deal with that. one of the major muscle movements in my community has been to generalized sharing. it used to be need to know. now it is need to share. this is hard. the other impact of this is that, when you undertake an espionage activity, you put what you can gain over here and what you can lose over there. let's talk about signal intelligence. welcome again? -- what can i gain? i could hear the head of state. what could i lose? you could be embarrassed if that is public. you make that judgment. this hand is not a moral hand. it is a political and public-relations hand. this is what i would lose if it was made public. a gets multiplied. by the l

does this have for the future of organizations like the nsa and cia and how they will deal with those problems. grniture gelman -- for mr. ellman, how will the media respond and interact with this information? >> i will go first and go quick. we have to recruit for the generation that produced bradley manning and edward snowden. that is a rowdy. -- reality. that generation has a different compass to transparency than my generation. that is a reality. my committee will have to deal with that. one of the major muscle movements in my community has been to generalized sharing. it used to be need to know. now it is need to share. this is hard. the other impact of this is that, when you undertake an espionage activity, you put what you can gain over here and what you can lose over there. let's talk about signal intelligence. welcome again? -- what can i gain? i could hear the head of state. what could i lose? you could be embarrassed if that is public. you make that judgment. this hand is not a moral hand. it is a political and public-relations hand. this is what i would lose if it was made public. a gets multiplied. by the l

mr. colby, who later was director of the cia, he was an officer over there at time, he did drive around. he may have had a weapon somewhere in his jeep, but you could drive through most of vietnam by 1972 without being attacked. much more than you could today in anbar province in iraq or afghanistan. so you're absolutely right. there was a time in the late, in about 1971, '72 when you could do that. your other question was the cap, the combined action program. it was what i wrote about in one of my books where you took squads of marines, a squad of marines, only 13 marines. you put them in a village with 5,000 vietnamese, and they would say to the farmers, we'll teach you how to fight small militia, 20 or 30 of you, and we'll teach you how to try to hold on to your village which is generally about three square miles to six square miles of territory. by fighting. by training as they went along. i have to tell you though, wayne, the one thing about that is you have to start with squads of, you know, tough marines in the first instance who have seen heavy combat, because that's how they wer