>> yes, mr. cider, just to understand something here. under the existing policy, once we issue let's say the approval in 3 years, it lapses and it effectively doesn't exactly expire but whatever the term we are supposed to be using. so then at that point they are supposed to come back and ask for an extension which we have routinely granted in your point of statistics. but i can't remember if after 3 years, this is another number of years that they don't exercise the extension. is there a time frame within which they can't come back and ask for an extension or is it always sort of out there in a sense? >> i think the answer is more so the latter scenario. when a project comes to you to seek what we call an extension or renewal, it's actually seeking a new conditional use authorization. simply to reprove if you will the previous project. so as long as you had not disapproved that project, which obviously isn't in the situation here, there is no limit as to when a project can come back again. and then another question in terms of -- so the

that is your policy and you have a great deal of flexibility. >> thank you, mr. cider. i always have a comment and that's on the period of time, 10 years. i was reflecting on the idea that we are trying to address the recession speaking in the recession in the latter probably 2007-2009 period of time maybe a little bit later than that at 8-10. whatever it was. there also was a fairly significant down turn that occurred in the first part of the century after some of these projects became more intense in 03 and '04. so it could quite possibly happen that a project kind of started to get ready to go and the rebound was not that long of a rebound and that's one reason i would speak for the ten year period. the other reason is we can capture a larger number of projects, another 15 projects of a residential and additional 400 units which i think makes sense which is a policy we feel is different 10 years and 6 years is really not that significant. i think we build a lot of protections in here to make sure that those who do take advantage of it move expeditiously to begin the

because working with three commissioners from the small business commission, their director and mr. cider create a high level of dialogue which is truly amazing. since there was not a lot of turnover, except for commissioner miguel, it created like a continuity which allowed to really dig deep as far as quite a few of the commissioners of small business owners themselves, but it did not over step into areas where there was not really collective expertise. i personally wanted to take more time to find it very -- enriching as part of the scope. >> most of us remember john's cafe and i don't know that a lot of people would have been driving from somewhere else to go to that cafe where one would presume doggy day care might see a lot more traffic with people dropping their dogs off. i mean i know this was just something arbitrarily picked off but the kind of thing that would need more attention. if it was an abbreviated report it would have to come before the commission and presumably the commissioners would read their consent calendars and pull off things that weren't appropriate. i wanted t

because working with three commissioners from the small business commission, their director and mr. cider create a high level of dialogue which is truly amazing. since there was not a lot of turnover, except for commissioner miguel, it created like a continuity which allowed to really dig deep as far as quite a few of the commissioners of small business owners themselves, but it did not over step into areas where there was not really collective expertise. i personally wanted to take more time to find it very -- enriching as part of the scope. >> most of us remember john's cafe and i don't know that a lot of people would have been driving from somewhere else to go to that cafe