mr. cisneros was secretary and public housing with a real problem, he did not try to do little things. he combined everything into a bold program. in the report, there is a mention of people talking about the 202 and it is gone, as is it a giant if it is not deal and a complete waste of opportunity, whether it is integrating multi-general -- multi generational house care. our last bill had 17 sources of financing. the impact was it was a $42 million project and only $26 million was in construction and design. the rest was lawyers and transaction costs in contrast with 202 funds where it was $10 9.6ion of grants and 9.7 -- million dollars was actual construction costs. we've gotten into a situation where you have to spend billions of dollars on consultants and on lawyers to make basic transactions. why are we letting everyone get away with the elimination of the 202 program, which is efficient and has created more things than medicaid could. why are we letting them off the hook? >> here, here. [applause] >> if anyone wants to respond to that -- [laughter] that we havey participated in t

mr. cisneros was secretary of hud and public housing was a problem, he didn't try to do two little things. he combined everything and did a bold program, the hope 6. in the report there is a mention and people talked about the 202 and it's gone as if it is not a big deal and a complete waste of opportunity. whether it's integrating housing and health care. we are an enterprise partner. i'm proud of it. the last building had 17 sources of financing. the impact of that was a $42 million project and $26 million in construction and design. the rest was lawyers, accountants and costs in contrast to a building we built with 202 funds with a $10 million grant and $9.6 million was for actual construction costs. there was hardly any transaction cost. we have gone into a situation where you have to spend millions of dollars on consultants and on lawyers to make basic transactions. why are we letting everyone get away with the elimination of the 202 program which is efficient and produced so many more savings than medicaid could pay for ten times what the 202 program was with and still save money. w

mr. cisneros is also a former mayor of san antonio, texas, who now co-chairs the housing commission of the bipartisan policy center. he heads citi view companies which works with urban home builders to create affordable housing. >> thank you very much. what an energetic presentation. it's not necessary to be mayor of san antonio to become secretary of h.u.d, but it doesn't hurt. lisa thank you for your words. san antonio is now the seventh largest city in the country and there has never been a city larger than san antonio to have an african woman mayor, which we now do in san antonio. it's a very inclusive place. and even though the african-american population there is relatively small, ivy taylor succeeded julian castro and speaks to the kind of breath, if you will, of the city. and i'm very, very proud of what we've been able to accomplish. lisa, thank you. you're a pioneer in your own right. lisa, who has been the president of the aarp foundation for the last ten months was previously the president of a college for 20 years. wells college in upstate new york. thank you to you and the aa

mr. tillis. groups forre women's him to >> our coverage of the debate between kay hagan and tom tillis is here on c-span tomorrow evening. in a few moments, henry cisneros on the needs of senior citizens. and in a little more than one half hour, oral argument for the second circuit court of appeals phone case dealing with records. and then the field hearing on the challenges facing the industry in the search for cures. washingtonext journal, a look at the militarization of police forces. our guest is from the american civil liberties union. we will also discuss the threat with nicholas burns, former undersecretary of for put up close fares. -- for political affairs. washington journal is live on c-span every day at 7:00 a.m. eastern. secretarymer hud henry cisneros. looking at a forum the housing needs of senior citizens. this is one half hour. [applause] >> thank you very much. what an energetic recent tatian. -- presentation. to becomenecessary the mayor of san antonio to become secretary of hud, but it does not hurt. i am proud of san antonio. it is the seventh largest city in the country. there has never been a city larger than san antonio to have h