mr. cissna: by no qualms? mr. cissna: i believe we have to stop it at the port of entry and the way to do that is to process the people who violate the law. a law that congress passed. that is what we need to do. senator blumenthal: you agree ,ith general kelly when he says the big name of the game is deterrence, family separation could be and would be a tough deterrent, essentially, the goal is to deter these families from seeking asylum? no.cissna: i believe it should be constant for illegal activity of border in the appropriate constant and 1320is best vision of five, that is the crime committed and there should be a constant is for the violation. senator blumenthal: so your position is that tearing is a necessaryrt concert once of people coming to the border, seeking to escape gang violence, terror, persecution, with in their own and that the destructive effects on those children and our image around the world is worth the price? mr. cissna: this has been said a million times for and no one has a response to th

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mr. cissna that you had mentioned. how do ucis see a person's claim is fraudulent? how is that assessment made? >> the person could just be ineligible, flatout ineligible. that's different from being fraudulent. both things are happening. >> i want to know about the fraudulent. >> i think if the person says something that manifestly does not conform to the facts on the ground would determine they were lying and therefore made a fraudulent claim. >> do we have any numbers how many were fraudulent under that definition you just explained? >> no, we don't have any numbers on how many people making fraudulent claims yet. >> do you have any numbers on how many asylum claims were denied by uscis in recent years that led to perjury charges? >> no, i don't have that available. >> could you get those to me in writing? >> sure. >> if you could, that would be great. i want to also touch upon the incident that occurred in the montana incident. the cdp has about 100-mile radius of jurisdiction where you can engage with somebody, pull somebody out for reasonable suspicion of immi