mr. clapper. as the media and congress are totally tied in knots over the shutdown, no one is paying to the irs enemies list. and no one investigating what happen in benghazi and the official inquiry of what information that nsa and department of homeland security are collecting on loyal american citizens receives no attention what so ever. clapper said it is a dream land for foreign intelligence services to rekraut. why now? >> apparently he believes that he has employees in the intelligence agencies over which he has the umbrella authority that sellout their country for the back pay. that's what he is saying, that to me is outrageous. >> it is more than 70 percent were furloughed and connected to the cia and senator lindsay graham said if it is true. do you believe it to be true, colonel? >> no, i don't. i know many people serving in the intelligence services and very few have respect for mr. clapper. nlindsay graham's point if it is close to being true why isn't the commander and chief making t

mr. clapper, it just laid the whole structure out for us.would you -- i know you have said this before. could you tell us, did these leaks negatively impact your ability to be as effective as otherwise if they hadn't happened. did it hurt our ability to identify attack in the future. >> from my mind, absolutely no question about that. we are already seeing signs of changes in target behavior because of their awareness of as a result of the revolution and the unauthorized lease. it's done great damage to partners and overseas in our relationship with them. people's lives are at risk here because of data that mr. snowden -- the full extent of it is yet to be measured. >> well, i thank you for your work. my impression from the people i met at nsa is they are dedicated, un-americans working every day to preserve and demand this country. i would i think we can do a better job of monitoring it. i'm glad to say the american people are alert and not going tolerate biewpses they shouldn't. the press has the right to do their job within the realm of l

mr. clapper's views. what do you think on this debate? i feel like if edward snowden lost sean penn, he has to many can be hasn't lost me. >> any concerns? >> i don't know what's in his mind. i don't know what he's doing now. he might be in a hot tub with two russian strippers named i want to drink a lot. he's done some service, getting us to at least debate the issue and as far as stuff gone on the last week or so with the european allies being up sit, i can understand if they felt their personal cell phones were being tapped. but on the other hand, they should really climb a little bit. it's been 60, 70 years since america defended allies, especially in europe. we liberated europe twice in the last century. they never wanted to pay the premiums for being protected. cut us a little slack when we protect you. the 9/11 plot was hatched in germany. there are much more restive muslim populations on the european continent than here. we over do it all. there is no doubt about that. cut us slack for the protection we've given you-all this time.

mr. clapper. >> i agree, and this is kind of a -- i think standard fair for anyone who travels overseas. and it is also your except of the conversation i have tried to place since i have been on this job on our own counter intelligence resources. which i believe are still underfunded. >> this may be out of your bounds i will ask it anyway, it is striking to me that the parliament, certainly the members that come in good faith and have discussions. is that consistent with your careers since 1963. and their operations and how they are compartmentlized away from their bodies? >> yes, absolutely. that comports with my experience, that often times policy makers that come and go, may not have familiarity with exactly how their intelligence operations work. there is no one else that has the magnitude of oversight of this intelligence overprize that we do. >> to that end if i can, mr. alexandar, there was some reporting that the story about french citizens being spied on by a particular shied that was leaked, on a slide deck, concluded that french citizens were being spied on, can you expound on

mr. clapper say that they have been -- that there has been surveillance spying on foreign leaders for decades. he said this goes back to the very beginning of surveillance in the united states, that the united states is doing it to other countries and other countries doing it to the united states today. >> that may very well be true but it seems to me that when we were dealing with friends and allies like german chancellor merkel, the president ought to draw a line that the n.s.a. shouldn't go beyond. i think the president has been negligent in not drawing a line or admitting he didn't even know about it until last summer. well, all this controversy srpl a result of a lack of oversight. it's a lack of oversight in the white house, a lack of oversight from the congress and the fisa court that issues orders that supposedly approved these methods say that in many cases the justice department which petitions that court was inaccurate and maybe even lying to them. the only way oversight can be done is if people tell the truth. tell the truth to the court, tell the truth to the congress and tell th

mr. chairman i yield back. >> thank you very much. we welcome the panel today and director clapper the floor is yours. >> mr. chairman we will go ahead with our statements on the fisa legislation and get to the questions that we know you all have. chairman rodgers and ranking member ruppersberger distinguished members of the committee thanks so much for having us here today to talk about the way ahead in the continuing dramatic revelations about intelligence collection program since their unauthorized >> i'm going to ask you to suspend. i'm going to say for the last time the gentleman off when the left would be removed and i asked the officer to remove. if i see one more example of that i will ask you all to be removed. the gentleman in the gray jacket on the left. thank you very much. >> you said nothing about science. i won't listen to your opening statement. >> the gentleman will continue. >> and the steps we are taking to make the programs more transparent while still protecting our national security interest. we each have statements so i will transition to general alexander. t

mr. clapper? >> i agree, and this is kind of, i think, standard fare for anyone who travels overseas, and it's also, i think, your comments a manifest -- manifestation of the emphasis i tried to place since i've been on this job on our own counterintelligence resources which i believe are still under funded. >> and this may be out of your bounds, but i'll ask it any way. striking to me that the parliament -- certainly members who come in good faith and have discussions on these issues, not really fully aware of what their intelligence services are up to. is that consistent with your career since 1963 when you talk about overseas intelligence services and their operations and how their compartmentalized away from their legislative body? >> yes, absolutely, chairman. i think that comports with my experience that often times policy makes who come and go may not have familiarity with exactly how their intelligence operations work. i'd tell you there's no other country on this planet that has the magni

testifying today, james clapper, deputy attorney general james cole and the dreker of the nsa, keith alexander. in a prepared statement, mrclapper insisted the programs are legal. >> we do not spy indiscriminately on the citizens of any country. we only spy for valid foreign intelligence purposes as authorized by law with multiple layers of oversight to ensure we don't abuse our authorities. >>> the director of the nsa also strongly defended the agency's program. take a listen. >> we see the threats that come into this nation. we see that a foreign agency is intended to see. prior to 9/11, we had no way of connecting those dots. everything we do on this program is auditing 100% on the business report fisa. 100%. >> the chair of the senate intelligence committee dianne feinstein been a lawyer defender of the nsa broken ranks with the agency and now calling for a full review of all of their surveillance programs. she quote, totally opposed to spying on u.s. allies and adds congress has not been kept in the loop. feinstein's counterpart, republican susan collins agrees in a statement she says, she notes there's no justificat

mr. clapper is right to be concerned about it.so i asked him, director clapper, do you know the way to 1600 pennsylvania avenue? have you ever heard of the commander in chief of the united states? and the house, the republican house, i must say, has a half a dozen times or more over several years passed legislation that eases those cuts and finds other reductions in spending from other departments and agencies that receive no cuts, and reduces the burden on the defense department. indeed, the defense department represents one-sixth of the united states budget and they're being asked to take one half the cuts. and don't think that counts bringing down war costs in iraq and afghanistan, that's entirely different. this is the base defense budget that's taking half the cuts under the budget control act. there's too much on the defense department, it ought to be spread around, the house has more than half a dozen times tried to do that, it's died in the senate because he want, i guess, utilize the military to threaten the republicans i

mr. alexander and general clapper toes explain to the american people what we are and are not doing. there iser incredible amount of misinformation being reported particularly when the things are early reported. a lot of mistakes made. some honest and i think for sensational value, an awful lot of misinformation in the public arena what the nsa is doing and not doing particularly with respect to u.s. citizens. having general alexander to explain the differences between the programs out there and what we can and can not do with respect to things within the united states and against u.s. citizens just to continue to try to get that record straight so when we do decide to make a decision with respect toto poliy issues we're basing it on facts rather than just the innuendo in the newspaper article or the misinformation that these journalists continue to put out, again, sometimes by honest mistakes. other times i think by design. >> host: how will you vote on what the "washington post" says are dueling pieces of nsa leg shun? jim sensenbrenner, republican of wisconsin, teamed up with patr

mr. president, we know what this government shutdown has done to our country already. general clapper, the leaders in our intelligence-gathering information around the world have stated that 72% of people who work in our intelligence agencies are home watching tv, reading a book. they're not at work protecting us from the bad people around the world ... and there are lots of them. we've talked about our national parks here. it's really been bad for people coming to nevada who want to do things in our parks. but not only for them, it's hurt business in nevada, as it has around the country. n.i.h. -- mr. president, we all understand how important it is that people who are sick and ill have the ability to have the best care in the world. if you're at the end of the line and you're fortunate enough to be able to say, well, maybe there's still another chance; they're doing something back in washington at one of the national institutes of healths, maybe they can help you. well, not now. can't do it now because of the republicans. centers for disease control -- not a very glamourous-sounding

mr. schiff: as we approach the end of the first week of the g.o.p. shutdown, i want to highlight the impact it's having on one sector of our government, the intelligence community. as director clapper and others made clear in the hearing yesterday, 07% of key analysts have been forced to leave their posts. this is irresponsible, tragic and most painfully, completely avoidable. house republicans now say they'll put up a bill funding veteran bus not the intelligence agencies, or tomorrow the intelligence agencies but not the f.b.i. or the f.b.i. but not the department of homeland security or d.h.s. and n.i.h. but not the department of justice. this is ridiculous, senseless, and reckless. let's be honest about what the house leadership is really saying. we will choose, hostage by hostage, which agency of the government we will release and do so only to buy time until the ransom we want, we get, the repeal of an unrelated health care reform. as our intelligence analysts -- analysts and others sit idol -- idle, others do not. those devising new ways to attack our homeland, allies and innocent civilians arn the world are not on hiatus, they are working hard and so must we. end the reckle