mr. cleaver, good morning mrs. cleaver. my, mrs. cleaver, you look lovely today. is the beav around?sing up and not being his true self. >> then a few minutes in, detectives asked the crucial question. >> and you had given a statement about, uh, you had seen her, i think it was several months before was the last time you saw her several months before the murder? >> yeah, i think six to eight months, something like that, i believe. >> and that was prior to her murder? >> yes. >> six to eight months before the murder. there it was. the boldface lie detectives wanted. gutierrez's story, now preserved on tape for a jury to hear, contradicted the quiet and unassailable truth of the crime scene, the dna. he was at christie's condo the night she was killed. just to make sure, they repeated the question twice. >> and so we got what we wanted. let's just see if we can get a little more. would there be any explanation as to why your dna would be found in her apartment at the -- at the actual -- the morning of the crime scene? >> hell, i don't know. no, there wouldn't be any reason why. i mean,

mr. cleaver is recognized for five minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairman. sir, i'm curious about how your criminal enterprise was detected. >> i'm sorry? >> how were you found out? >> somebody thought that i was possibly receiving kickbacks, which in turn contacted our criminal investigation department, which in turn got a hold of the united states investigation department. and they came to me asking questions, and i knew, you know, what i did was wrong. and then that's how they found out. >> was hud notify? >> after the investigations, yes. after the clarification of what was going on. >> do you have any contact with the aichi? >> just through the interviews. >> the contact with the ig and when you were identified as allegedly having committed fraud, what was the time period between your contact with hud either through the ig or -- >> i'm not sure the exact time they got hold of hud. when the ig came to me, you know, that's when it was all laid out on the table. it was instantly. >> i guess where i'm trying to go is, do you think you were given permission

mr. cleaver. his rise is long overdue and i think that it's good that he's there. but he's only been there since january as a chairman. the previous chairman barbara lee has much to be commended for, her great vote -- she's the only one who voted against satisfying, going into afghanistan shortly after 9/11 so she's famous for that. she's the person who was headed to the task force on katrina which decided to end by saying let george bush come up with a plan to save the poor using katrina as a model of how it can be done. i'm still furious about that. that kind of neglect of homework is partially, i think, what has happened with obama. for one. for two, rahm emanuel was in charge of the white house and i don't think that was good at all for the black caucus. rahm emanuel was certainly very unfriendly towards black. i hate to call him a racist but in my book, you can see some pretty strong things he said. >> he said he looked at the caucus with contempt i think is what you were -- >> he had contempt for the caucus. so if he had to arrange meetings with obama, i'm su

mr. chairman, for providing this opportunity for me to provide this testimony. >> thank you, representative cleaver, for that impassioned statement. i'm proud of the fact that your history and your remembrance of it is going to motivate many, many people who -- to whom this subject matter may not be nearly as familiar with as you are. and i thank you very much. congresswoman marcia fudge of the 14th district of ohio serves on both the science and space and tech committee and the agriculture committee. she's been here for two terms as a member of congress, but we can't help but recall, as our whip steny hoyer does, that she was chief of staff for the late stephanie tubbs jones for many years and the commitment of both her and our former member is evident in her presence here today and we recognize her at this time. >> thank you, mr. chairman. and i want to thank our distinguished panel for being here today. it is time that the american people hear from more than just us that there is a concerted effort across this country to limit, to suppress and to undo our right to vote. it is deliberate and it i

mr. chairman. >> i now turn to the chairman of the congressional black caucus, the one and only emanuel cleaver who is in his fourth term in the house of representatives, who is a -- well, i should say that he is a licensed minister. we have a lot of preachers. but he is a pastor. how he maintains his triple role as congressman, as chairman of the black caucus, and as church on top of that is beyond me. but we are honored that he is here with us today and we recognize him. >> thank you, mr. chairman. thank you for organizing and holding this hearing. i think that you are having a hearing on one of the most significant civil-rights issues of our time. this is a very solvable rights issue. i am here today, mr. chairman, to express the deep and abiding concern that we of the cbc and people of goodwill are having with this year's onslaught of voter suppression laws, which have not so ironically arrived in time for the 2012 election. early voting days have been cut short. different identification requirements have been implemented. proof of citizenship is required. all of these policies are statisticall