mr. cleaver: mr. chairman -- the chair: the gentleman from missouri. mr. cleaver: mr. chairman, let me just say -- let me ask with the generosity of the the gentleman from utah how much time do we have? the chair: the gentleman has 30 seconds remaining. mr. chaffetz: i would like yield to yield two minutes to the gentleman if he needs it if he has additional speakers. mr. cleaver: mr. chairman, i would like to yield one minute to the the gentlewoman from california, ms. richardson. the chair: the gentlelady from california is recognized for one minute. ms. richardson: mr. speaker, i rise today in strong support of the congressional black caucus' alternative budget for fiscal year 2013. this budget should be considered and made in order by all of our colleagues. minority communities took the hardest hit during the economic recession. in my district we suffered rates of unemployment arranging as high as 25%, home foreclosures and significantly more experiencing pain than across the country. our budget deals with these issues, helping us to have a skilled educated work fo

mr. cleaver. mr. eaver, do you think there is something fundamentally wrong with the stand your ground law? does it create an impetus for gunfire? >> well, i think when you have a gun on you, it gives you a sense of strength and power that you would not feel otherwise, and i think that people, human beings will tend to use guns when normally they would have walked away. and i think the stand your ground law is absolutely asinine that you can declare a confrontation almost with anybody and shoot them down. and if they're the only witness, you walk away. something has to be done. liberals might get angry with me on my moderate position with guns, but on this law, and the way guns are used, i think that there's no excuse for what happened. and that law needs to be changed, quickly. >> if you have both, you have a problem. if you have both readily available guns and a law that essentially takes away accountability for a shooting. if nobody saw it, there's no accountability. >> then you have a neighborhood

mr. cleaver: mr. speaker, this is not one of the highlights of stepping into the well of the house. this is a moment that does not yield great joy. at least not for what just happened in terms of the death of my friend and my colleague, donald payne. there is, however, some joy and the joy is related to the fact that i had the opportunity to know donald payne. and i believe that my life was enriched because of it. during his final days here in washington, i had a number of conversations with him at georgetown hospital where i tried to and was successful at least in a couple of occasions to get him to laugh, even as he experienced excruciating pain in his hospital bed. donald payne can be observed by all members of the house and from that observation we can extract something that can make this place better. donald payne was about as good and decent a human being as has ever walked the halls of this stately house. at a time when many elected officials believe that acidic language, acura moany -- acramony and red meat discussions is the order of the day, donald payne was firm, soft-spo

mr. cleaver: mr. speaker, this is not one of the highlights of stepping into the well of the house. this is a moment that does not yield great joy. at least not for what just happened in terms of the death of my friend and my colleague, donald payne. there is, however, some joy and the joy is related to the fact that i had the opportunity to know donald payne. and i believe that my life was enriched because of it. during his final days here in washington, i had a number of conversations with him at georgetown hospital where i tried to and was successful at least in a couple of occasions to get him to laugh, even as he experienced excruciating pain in his hospital bed. donald payne can be observed by all members of the house and from that observation we can extract something that can make this place better. donald payne was about as good and decent a human being as has ever walked the halls of this stately house. at a time when many elected officials believe that acidic language, acura moany -- acramony and red meat discussions is the order of the day, donald payne was firm, soft-spo