i think the problem is not a meat cleaver approach, but that many don't want to take an approach at all. they want to leave it alone. mr. collins: they don't want to take up having a reasonable cap on attorneys' fees. instead of putting a cap on lawyer's feese, they would rather go on, by the way, in that 2011 case, the attorneys' fees went over $300,000. in this situation. the problem here is in the wanting to deal with e.s.a., it's wanting to continue an ideological bent that says, leave it alone even at the expense of jobs, even at the experience of maybe we messed up, even though we could say, maybe we could have a different point of view or maybe addressing it. for those of us in northeast georgia, we want good, clean water, clean air, and protection of our wildlife. but also we understand that taxpayer dollars spent on this needs to happen. we need to do this reform. by the way, mr. chairman, i still have no takers on my bat. with that, i yield back. the chair: the gentleman from washington. mr. hastings: i'm pleased to yield one minute to the gentleman from utah, mr. stuart, for one minute. the chair: the gentle