>> mr. clegg, what do you make of what you've heard from the other two gentlemen? >> well, it's all very well to stay these things, but if what actually happens in practice is that we produce, as i say, these colleges of crime, where we have now, what, about 4,000 people going into our prisons on short-term prison sentences, they sit around, they learn some extra tricks of the trade from some more experienced criminals, and then they go out and nine out of ten of the young men on short-term prison sentences just commit more crime. i think that's what jacqueline is talking about, this desperate, hopeless feeling. it keeps happening over and over again. i met a young man in london the other day. his flat had been burgled five times, and one of them, would you believe it, jacqueline, was when he was away at his father's funeral. he said to me "why can't this stop?" unless we do something different, not the same old remedies, but do something different to stop the youngsters today who are getting into

mr. nick clegg. order. mr. nick clegg must be heard. mr. nick clegg. >> mr. speaker, their answer was ridiculous that the two parties are colluding together to block reform. just last night they colluded to block the most minimal reform our electoral system. just by the way they came together to block our proposal to give people the right. they came together to block our proposal to clean up lobbying. mr. speaker, we all remember back in 1997, the house of this new government, look at them now. look at them now. you fail. is over. it's time to go. [shouting] >> mr. speaker, it seems like a speech instead of a question. mr. speaker, he cannot deny the fact that when we discussed a lack world funding and political reform the labour party and the liberal party of greed on the means to reform the political funding system. there was an agreement between our two parties. the conservative party got out of the agreement and they pulled out of the recommendation of one person, the person who finds the conservative party, the person who has given 109 pounds to the cons

mr. nick clegg. order. mr. nick clegg must be heard. mr. nick clegg. >> mr. speaker, their answer was ridiculous that the two parties are colluding together to block reform. just last night they colluded to block the most minimal reform our electoral system. just by the way they came together to block our proposal to give people the right. they came together to block our proposal to clean up lobbying. mr. speaker, we all remember back in 1997, the house of this new government, look at them now. look at them now. you fail. is over. it's time to go. [shouting] >> mr. speaker, it seems like a speech instead of a question. mr. speaker, he cannot deny the fact that when we discussed a lack world funding and political reform the labour party and the liberal party of greed on the means to reform the political funding system. there was an agreement between our two parties. the conservative party got out of the agreement and they pulled out of the recommendation of one person, the person who finds the conservative party, the person who has given 109 pounds to the cons

i've got the agenda, mr. clegg. mr. cameron's response. >> i just want to make this -- i think people at home watching will find it extraordinary that gordon brown is really saying, you've got to go on wasting money to keep the economy going. why not cut the waste and stop the tax rise? it can't be in -- how is a 7% pay rise for nhs managers essential for economic growth? >> i'm going to have to park it there -- >> we made 35 billion of -- >> no, i'm going to stop you because we had some of this in the previous question and i've still got more questions that i really want to take. a lot of information there for people to reflect on. i do want to move it on. our next questioner comes from an army family and himself has served in the territorial army. nick brimson, your question. >> good evening, guys. british troops seem to be dying unnecessarily and far too frequently. in my opinion, they are under- equipped and massively underpaid. what assurances can you give the armed forces that things will improve? >> mr. clegg? >>

we actually all agree about that. >> mr. clegg. >> on this matter we do. i don't agree. i have made it publicly clear in the past i don't agree with the formal doctrine against the gays in the catholic church. i believe there should be some uprising against the pope's visit and quite neither is us. i think the catholic community in britain want to welcome him. but it does president mean one has to subscribe to every leter and crossed t and dotted i. >> you know on all these big issues, we are proving to be a tolerant and understanding nation. we introduced civil partnerships and therefore we changed the laws on homosexuality and said to people, if you are gay or straight you have a place in british society. so i am pleased it happened in britain the last few years. i disagreed with the catholic church. if you treat a disease by using embryos enabling us to make sure people can be free of some of the conditions that uh flekt their lives, we should do so under the right rules. i'm sorry there was a disagreement on that. i think we know that in africa -- we know around the

into the breach oppose mr. clegg, -- >goes mr. clegg, and because he is new and different and very young, he can seem obamaesque, the new guy. host: let's show our viewers a little bit of what all three candidates said about america. >> on the point that gordon brown says about anti- americanism, i have a simple attitude about our relationship with america is an immensely important, a special relationship, but it should not be a one-way street. we should not automatically to what our american friends tell us to do. we have to make sure we act on the world stage in our interest. >> i persuaded the americans to be part of the g-20 to deal with the banking crisis and i am pushing the americans to deal with climate change as well david, it is the big society at home, but a little bit and abroad. you have to rethink your policies. -- the little britain and abroad. you have to rethink your policies. >> i think they don't want a britain that stands for itself in europe. host: they're calling each other by their first names. guest: you wou

into the breach oppose mr. clegg, -- >goes mr. clegg, and because he is new and different and very young, he can seem obamaesque, the new guy. host: let's show our viewers a little bit of what all three candidates said about america. >> on the point that gordon brown says about anti- americanism, i have a simple attitude about our relationship with america is an immensely important, a special relationship, but it should not be a one-way street. we should not automatically to what our american friends tell us to do. we have to make sure we act on the world stage in our interest. >> i persuaded the americans to be part of the g-20 to deal with the banking crisis and i am pushing the americans to deal with climate change as well david, it is the big society at home, but a little bit and abroad. you have to rethink your policies. -- the little britain and abroad. you have to rethink your policies. >> i think they don't want a britain that stands for itself in europe. host: they're calling each other by their first names. guest: you wou

once again marking mr. clegg as the winner, 33%, a 3.gap in mr. cameron and mr. rown so a score coming second in that instance and then they were first out with this internet-based course of research. 36% and cameron was the clear winner. nick clegg comes in second place some four points adrift and a further three points down we have mr. brown. .. lastly because that was thursday think everyone was nervous. >> i think clegg, although he clearly wanted everyone from that aspect was nervous and he put in a more assured on this time around. cameron was the best, cord was a bit better and they were a little bit close. i do think that because brown is going to be always on the right of the screen throughout this debate, and all the way through to rethinking who does he remind me of is this grumpy guy in the corner. as father jack. by the end of the series is the most popular character, so who knows what might happen. what i thought was interesting is that a level of expectation from chairman this week had to be absolutely, truly amazing to clawback. i thought he was, b

. >> mr. clegg? >> tonight's debate is about you. about your job and the taxes you pay and your family and the pros parity of our economy. we need to do things different to build a new, stronger and fairer economy. the way we got into this mess is not the way out. we need to be franks about the cuts that will be needed to protect things like schools an hospitals. breaking up our banking system so that irresponsible bankers can never again put your savings and businesses at risk. we have to rediscover our passion for innovation, for building things. not just placing bets on the money markets and we need fair taxes so you don't pay any income tax on your first 10,000 pounds. of course they will tell you tonight that these things can't be done. i think we've got to do things differently to deliver the fairness, the pros parity and the jobs that you and your families deserve. >> thank you, mr. clegg. gordon brown. >> there is a lot to this job. as you saw yesterday, i don't get it all right. i do know how to run the economy in good times

you will not back up and support us in keeping -- >> mr. clegg?e air. we are saying the government could save 1 pound at of every 100 it spends. what small business, what large business, what family has not had to do that during this difficult recession? >> mr. clegg now. >> the more they attack each other for more bass sound exactly the same. host: joining us on the phone is nicholas timmins from "the financial times." all the articles here in the states indicate two things. number one, that the liberal democrat candidate nick clegg won the debate in a sense, and it was very u.s.-presidential style. what do you think? that -- guest: all the indications early indeed aware that nick clegg won the debate. for a liberal democrat leader, which is, a rare opportunity. they are the third party in the united kingdom and they tend to get squeezed out. they tend to get less coverage. this is a great opportunity for him to stand shoulder to shoulder with the other two and give equal airtime and he did that and was taking good advantage of it. host: what are

mr. nick clegg. order. mr. nick clegg must be heard. mr. nick clegg. >> mr. speaker, their answer was ridiculous that the two parties are colluding together to block reform. just last night they colluded to block the most minimal reform our electoral system. just by the way they came together to block our proposal to give people the right. they came together to block our proposal to clean up lobbying. mr. speaker, we all remember back in 1997, the house of this new government, look at them now. look at them now. you fail. is over. it's time to go. [shouting] >> mr. speaker, it seems like a speech instead of a question. mr. speaker, he cannot deny the fact that when we discussed a lack world funding and political reform the labour party and the liberal party of greed on the means to reform the political funding system. there was an agreement between our two parties. the conservative party got out of the agreement and they pulled out of the recommendation of one person, the person who finds the conservative party, the person who has given 109 pounds to the cons

. >> mr. clegg has expressed some differences in view on the relationship between the united kingdom and the united states. if he is to be a major foreign u.k. policy -- politics, -- a major force in the u.k. politics, d.c. that affecting that relationship? >> dorschel do you see that affecting the relationship? >> i do not think it would fall very well in the public relations between the u.k. and the u.s. there has been an historic love affair between the two. what make clegg is trying to say is that the special relationship between the u.s. and the united kingdom is the driving force in the foreign policy of both countries. i think that the united states does not lose too much sleep on that. but it also finds britain a useful ally. but as henry kissinger once said, if he has a problem, what is the telephone number he would call in europe? that issue is still there, but now there are so many protagonists for that. there is mr. sarkozy, angela merkel. and mr. blair just followed the american line in

mr. nick clegg. order. mr. nick clegg must be heard. mr. nick clegg. >> mr.peaker, their answer was ridiculous that the two parties are colluding together to block reform. just last night they colluded to block the most minimal reform our electoral system. just by the way they came together to block our proposal to give people the right. they came together to block our proposal to clean up lobbying. mr. speaker, we all remember back in 1997, the house of this new government, look at them now. look at them now. you fail. is over. it's time to go. [shouting] >> mr. speaker, it seems like a speech instead of a question. mr. speaker, he cannot deny the fact that when we discussed a lack world funding and political reform the labour party and the liberal party of greed on the means to reform the political funding system. there was an agreement between our two parties. the conservative party got out of the agreement and they pulled out of the recommendation of one person, the person who finds the conservative party, the person who has given 109 pounds to the conser

one of the big two will either have to govern as a minority, or seek a coalition with mr. clegg.y brown is representing himself as the voice of experience. >> like me or not, i can deliver that plan. >> reporter: and it's why cameron is warning the british public a hung parliament could panic the financial markets, imperil the pound and see interest rates soar. >> one of the problems with hung parliament and counterclockwise-forming is there is quite a lot of bickering going on already. >> reporter: the television debates, the first ever, have brought british politics alive. they have changed the rules of the game, and probably the game itself. robin oakley, cnn, london. >> and coming up, a supermodel lashes out against celebrities who go under the knife to fix their faces and their bodies. >>> but first, joe johns has tonight's download from washington. hey, joe. >> campbell, just in tonight, homeland security secretary and former arizona governor janet napolitano weighing in on the tough new immigration measure sign into law in her home state. napolitano saying the arizona immi

nick clegg first continue, mr.n. >> how one takes the decisions to support the new manufacturing industries of the future i think for instance it is fairly obvious to look at the huge number of offshore wind turbines that are now stored up off the coast that we should be a leader in manufacturing this new technology and yet the only manufacturer of the onshore wind turbines are closed and the biggest offshore project 90% of the stuff that's been stored there was built in denmark and germany. why are we not using small amounts of money to invest and hold so that we manufacture the new future as well. >> when the turbines and the development of offshore when the industry as one of our priorities and we are now the world's leading offshore power and including seamen have included the would invest in power in the country as a result of the government incentives and we are doing the same for the digital because we want 100% superfast that research every community including of rural areas. but you have to have some gover

. >> mr. clegg? >> the more they attack each other, the more they sound exactly the same. look, we all know we've got this great black hole in our public finances. that's obvious. we know we're going to have to save money. we all know we're going to have to make cuts. the question at this election is who is trying to be straight with you about the scale of those cuts, how long they'll take. >> reporter: while the debate was supposed to focus on doe i can issues, a question about conditions in the british army quickly led to discussion about conditions for the armed forces serving in afghanistan. >> frankly, we shouldn't be in the situation we are. in the last few months, we had to fight a bat until parliament to stop the government cutting the training for the territorial army and i think it's padness. it's not only that we've got to make sure that we don't waste money on bureaucrats in the minutery of defense and the rest of it and spend that on equipment for brave servicemen and servicewomen. we should also use the know how and the manufacturing brilliance and expertise

mr. nick clegg, spicing up the general election. and starting today, he will give us the honor and privilege to be with us today. he will be very brief in his opening remarks, and then, he will take questions. unfortunately, we have very limited time and we will take these questions in groups. and we will do our best to get to a wide spectrum of the foreign press. thank you very much. without further delay -- >> i should warn you, if you are expecting anything like barack obama, you will be seriously disappointed. thank you for coming here this afternoon. let me give you a few thoughts about the election campaign and the role of foreign policy. this campaign, quite rightly, we have more on the issues that people face. we have more on wet we can do for the british economy, how to provide prosperity, jobs, and economic hope for many millions of british people who have been shaken to their foundations with what has happened to their own sense -- their livelihood and their own sense of well-being. this will remain the dominant question