mr. cochetel? guest: you are absolutely right. some of these countries need a longer term development programs that would address the root causes of the problem. a bit more on a positive note -- none of the other countries in africa are facing famine to d -- today. lack of development, human rights, but you don't have other countries at this stage with a famine. development programs using science -- i don't think religion is necessarily -- many organizationsou are deeply involved in a country and africa. but i agree with you that we need to be more creative on these programs. host: matt tweets in. guest: well, that is a very good question. transfer of population has not taken place. it is not something that the international community, i think, would support. the last transfer of population i can think of -- part of the dismantlement of the ottoman empire where turks moved to avoid a mass killing of minorities. transfer of populations affected by harsh climate i don't think will happen. what you see in somalia at this stage is a b

mr. cochetel? guest: you are absolutely right. some of these countries need a longer term development programs that would address the root causes of the problem. a bit more on a positive note -- none of the other countries in africa are facing famine to d -- today. lack of development, human rights, but you don't have other countries at this stage with a famine. development programs using science -- i don't think religion is necessarily -- many organizationsou are deeply involved in a country and africa. but i agree with you that we need to be more creative on these programs. host: matt tweets in. guest: well, that is a very good question. transfer of population has not taken place. it is not something that the international community, i think, would support. the last transfer of population i can think of -- part of the dismantlement of the ottoman empire where turks moved to avoid a mass killing of minorities. transfer of populations affected by harsh climate i don't think will happen. what you see in somalia at th stage is a bit

mr. cochetel? guest: you are absolutely right. some of these countries need a longer term development programs that would address the root causes of the problem. a bit more on a positive note -- none of the other countries in africa are facing famine to d -- today. lack of development, human rights, but you don't have other countries at this stage with a famine. development programs using science -- i don't think religion is necessarily -- many organizationsou are deeply involved in a country and africa. but i agree with you that we need to be more creative on these programs. host: matt tweets in. guest: well, that is a very good question. transfer of population has not taken place. it is not something that the international community, i think, would support. the last transfer of population i can think of -- part of the dismantlement of the ottoman empire where turks moved to avoid a mass killing of minorities. transfer of populations affected by harsh climate i don't think will happen. what you see in somalia at this stage is a b

mr. cochetel, are there any other refugee situations in the world that you'd like to bring our attention to, not on this scale necessarily, but other ones we should be aware of? guest: i think one to keep in mind is the afghan refugee. that's the largest refugee situation. you know, pakistan, other countries in the region have provided asylum and services for afghan refugees. host: does that include iran? guest: yes, that includes iran. since the afghan invasion of afghanistan. we odd to see a good response to those refugees because unfortunately last year not that many -- we ought to see a good response to those refugees because unfortunately last year not that many -- host: vincent cochetel, united nations high commissioner for refugees. we are now going to go live to the house hearing, it's the house foreign affairs hearing on africa. representative chris smith representative of new jersey is the chair. this is the humanitarian crisis in sudan. [captioning performed by natonal captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2011] >> sudanese attacks on north m