mr. collender: it may happen. it may happen that they think of themselves above the president , but they're in safe districts and can almost certainly get around it. third, i don't know what they'd want in return. i mean the freedom caucus, a , portion of the republican party that is presumably in position to make life difficult for president trump on the debt ceiling, they're going to want the tax cuts. they're going to want the defense increases. they're going to want obamacare repealed or partially repealed. all three of those things will increase the deficit. so, what is it -- do they want to eliminate the domestic side of the budget? there's not enough there, unless you talk about medicaid and medicare, which the president-elect has said he won't touch, medicare and social security, excuse me because , there's not enough on the discretionary side to make a dent in the trillion deficit. i'm trying to figure out what the deal would be.

mr. collender: it may happen. it may happen that they think of themselves above the president , but they're in safe districts and can almost certainly get around it. third, i don't know what they'd want in return. i mean the freedom caucus, a , portion of the republican party that is presumably in position to make life difficult for president trump on the debt ceiling, they're going to want the tax cuts. they're going to want the defense increases. they're going to want obamacare repealed or partially repealed. all three of those things will increase the deficit. so, what is it -- do they want to eliminate the domestic side of the budget? there's not enough there, unless you talk about medicaid and medicare, which the president-elect has said he won't touch, medicare and social security, excuse me because , there's not enough on the discretionary side to make a dent in the trillion deficit. i'm trying to figure out what the deal would be. ms. norman: did either of you want to... well, paradoxically, it may be the