mr. conley, who has been waiting. >> thank you, mr. chairman. mr. larry, i want to make sure i followed your answer to the question of the $25,000 express so machines. you said that they were purchased with unappropriated funds. is that correct? >> correct, sir. >> what are unappropriated funds? >> sir, we call them nonappropriated funds. these are the funds you run a golf course, a bowling center. when you buy a hamburger, play a round of golf shs the dollars that that family member takes out of her or his pocket, those are nonappropriated funds dollars. >> generated by those tiftds. >> were purchase cards or debit cards used for that acquisition? >> no, sir. >> okay. that's what i wanted to know. let me ask our i.g.s. is it ever permissible to use a purchase card for a hair salon session, gym membership or personal gift cards? >> hair salons we didn't have in our transactions, but we did research on gym memberships and there's a decision that says in some circumstances, it is permissible to purchase gym memberships if it's part of some health and

mr. conley, did you have something? >> yeah, can i just follow up on that? first of all, i'll answer your question. i certainly one thing that came out of this hearing for me is we need prohibition on the personal use of these cards, period. there cannot be any circumstance of unjob related use of a credit card issued by the government. that is wrong is and we need to make prohibition it seems to me. and it ought to be required of any federal agency that issues such cards. at any rate, that would be one thing i would answer your question in terms of how we might update the law. other than that, i'm glad to hear the 2012 laws are helpful. >> does omb enforce the law or put out any guidelines? is that their role? i'm not sure. >> omb put out a circular a123, i think it was updated based to comply with the new law. >> you mean the 2012 law? >> do you think that's adequate? i'm not aware of the provisions. >> i'm not aware that there's any issues or problem. >> mr. lewis, anything? >> they have publishing reports where they are collecting information from the de

. >> shaking hands now with the dallas people, governor and mrs. conley.overnor conley on your left. >> it was whether kennedy could use his charisma and influence to get the squabbling democrats in texas to come together before the election the next year. >> and here comes the president now, in fact, he's not in his limousine. he's departed the limousine and reached across the fence shaking hands. >> in those days everybody could get closer to the president. i was standing behind mrs. kennedy and saw a hand reach through the chain link fence and break off one of the red roses. >> thousands of children swarming, trying to get over the fence. the dallas police trying to keep them back. this is great for the people and makes the egg shells thinner for the secret service. >> the trip had gone terrifically well in texas. pretty hard to write a script for it going any better. >> thousands will be on hand for that motorcade now, which will be downtown dallas. >> a number of my classmates were gone. they were at the parade. my father had been invited to have lunc