mr. cosby's attorneys two days prior to mr. cosby's.at was not acceptable as far as i was concerned, so we went to court to straighten out the order and after argument the court gave us the order which is that mr. cosby must submit to his deposition first and that will be on october 9 and then after will be our client's deposition. what is the advantage? in general, ashleigh, in general most attorneys, plaintiffs attorneys, would prefer to take the defendant's deposition first because in general we don't want a defense to have an opportunity to try to tailor his testimony or be after the plaintiff's testimony, whatever she has testified to, or be influenced by whatever she has testified to. not to say mr. cosby would do that, but in general as plaintiff's attorneys we do want to take the defendant's deposition first and, of course, his attorneys wanted our client to go first and argued vigorously for that but they were unsuccessful. >> so can i ask you this, i should let our audience listen to cosby's attorney because we had a chance at

i'm saying mr. cosby has denied the accusations and allegations but there are other reasons why you may or may not bring a defamation suit. when you look at people -- and if you listen to the comments from counsel yesterday when you asked a direct question about why they're coming forward, is what is the point when there's no legal leg to stand on. and the point then is for some sort of vindication through public opinion. so what perhaps others would who want mr. cosby to do is to brick th -- bring them into a courtroom for a process they can't get on their own because 20 years, 30 years, 40, almost 50 years later there's no way to come into a courtroom and get the attention or even vindication if they believe that they deserve some justice justice. justice. but instead they would rather i advise my client to sue them and take them into court so the book deals, the attention, the interviews, the magazine articles. >> no, you're not going to get a book deal if there's 40 of you with the same story. i have

accountability for mr. cosby in the court of public opinion.y can't file a lawsuit because it's too late, because the statute of limitations han run on their ability to file a civil lawsuit or because it's too late and the statute of limitations has run on any criminal prosecution of mr. cosby. they can still speak out in the court of public opinion and that's what they're doing. it has been empowering. they have lived in fear. they have kept the secret. they want now to be out and to help to support other persons who allege they are victims and also to tell what they say is their truth. >> so i know that you have a challenge for bill cosby's attorney. let's just be clear bill cosby has said almost nothing to so many of these allegations time and time again as they come out, but he has dispatched his representatives and you have something you want them to do. what is it? >> yeah. his recently newly hired person who is going on television, monique presley, who has been on cnn and other outlets, i challenge her to debate me. let's say right here

it's mr. cosbythis deposition and who will be asked questions and that's whom we're looking at for the answers and we expect it to last all day and perhaps going to another day as well. >> two questions before i let you go. the women that you represent, what would they consider a legal victory, and is it reasonable to expect that there are other women who are going to come forward as well? >> i definite have other women. >> more women are going to come forward? >> absolutely. still contacting me. new women who have not spoken out previously and who are now finding the courage to contact me. and when they contact me i tell tell to speak out publicly. i tell them all the options available, the benefits, the risks. it's a confidential communication. then they decide what they wish to do. some say, look, we don't wish to do that but we're there for you. we want you to know the information if when and when you need us to testify, subpoena us and we'll be there. they're all very courageous women. they jus

it's too late for mr. cosby to be criminally prosecuted even if a district attorney would find that that, they thought that that case could be proven beyond a reasonable doubt because the statute of limitations. but there's no statute of limitations on the right of free speech, so they are speaking out in the court of public opinion, they are giving what they say is their truth, and they have every right to do it. >> now that they've done it, what next? i would imagine that you're looking for a settlement here, right? >> well -- >> he's worth, some estimates, close to a billion dollars. >> woo we're looking -- what we're looking for, greg, is accountability and justice. these women have gone from being survivors the fighters for change, and they just want accountability. and we're going to get it in whatever form that we can get it. >> what are some options? >> well, i gave mr. cosby all the options possible. one, he could invite all of the women who accuse him to sue him in a court of law, and he could agree no

mr. cosby has not been found guilty of that there.eless adjudicate a certain kind of guilt and innocence believe ability or not, good bad or otherwise, and regularly fall on the side of women and particularly for women who are victims and survivors of sexual assault, that they are to be not believed i think, is not actually about the criminal justice system. i think it's about something quite different. >> i completely agree. and i think that there is many different reasons for it. they're unfortunately on the side of some women is this idea of if i believe it couldn't have happened to her, then it will never happen to me. you know? >> this for me is so powerful. i'll come to you, i promise, elon but that idea that part of our disbelief is self-protected. because if you did something wrong to make it happen then i feel less vulnerable. elon let me let you in here. >> i want to be clear here. it's not even about people needing to do something that allows this to happen to them like it's somehow their fault. i believe a core aspect of t

. >> the next thing i remember was sort of awake in the bed with no clothes and mr. cosby with a robe crawling from the bottom of the bed. i was incapacitated and could not say no. he engaged in sexual activity with me. it was not consensual. >> no one would ever believe me in 1976. i would have been told i put myself in a vulnerable situation and it was my fault. i lived with this shame and this guilt of thinking it was somehow my fault, but it wasn't because if i hadn't been drugged, i would have never ended up in a hotel room with him ever and he knew that. >> cosby has never been charged. he is expected to testify under oath in october in a lawsuit brought by another accuser. >>> defense lawyers grilling the teenage accuser at the cross examination at the prep school rape trial. she said she was raped by fellow st. paul student. both say the encounter stemmed from senior tradition known as the quests of younger students. >>> officials are trying to determine what caused a gas explosion at the new york city high school. three critically injured in the blast at jfk high

. >> the next thing i remember, i was sort of awake in a bed with no clothes and there was mr. cosbya robe crawling from the bed. i was incapacitated and could not say no. he engaged in sexual activity with me. it was not consensual. >> no one would have ever believed me in 1976. i would have been told i put myself in a vulnerable situation and it was my fault. i lived with this shame and guilt of thinking it was somehow my fault. it wasn't. if i hadn't been drugged, i would have never ended up in a hotel room with him ever and he knew that. >> cosby has never been charged. he is expected to testify in october in a lawsuit brought by another accuser. >>> defense lawyers grill the teenager at a prep school rape trial. the alleged victim says she was raped last year by fellow st. paul student owen lebrie. the encounter stemmed from the school tradition known as senior salute involving sex related conquests of younger students. the exclusive prep school is the alma mater of six congress members and the secretary of state. >>> officials trying to determine what caused a gas explosion at

it's not too late mr. cosby.ey's response when i challenged her to debate me is ridiculous. i said what i want to do is debate the accusations that will never be a court case. for her to say she only wants to talk about these in court, she's out there on television, on msnbc, on other outlets, giving ridiculous explanations on mr. cosby. so come on msnbc with me or any other platform and debate these issues. i assure you, when we debate, you're not going to be able to filibuster and you're going to have to be responsive to the questions and not be nonresponsive. >> we extend that information to bill cosby's representative as well to come, at least with these three new accusations. thank you very much. i know you'll be watching when cosby is expected to give that sworn deposition october 9th. thank you. >>> much more on our top stories when we return. including if joe biden will interfere the race for 2014. sources tell msnbc he's calling around to those close to them. >>> and the explosion in china. dozens killed

mr. cosby's use of drugs during sex as a widely accepted practice four decades ago. >> yeah. yeah, the problem is that nonconsensual sex has never been a widely accepted practice. just hasn't caught on. so basically the lawyers are going with the defense of, everyone used ludes, you know. take some ludes. about a, about a, about a. we are all doing ludes. bah, bah, then why didn't he ever use them? oh, oh, me, me, me, i know the answer. because he wanted to be the only one awake for the raping; is that right? okay. the let's puddin' pop this theory. all right. there we go. okay. cool. let's continue. the second point in cosby's public defense strategy is to assert by his testimony does not change his consistent denials that he did anything criminally wrong. >> hmm. consistently denying something in the face of overwhelming damning evidence doesn't make you innocent, it makes you the new england patriots. we have some patriot hate in other words the audience. man, i am a seahawks fan. no, i am not over it. it's nothing personal, patriot fans, it is just that you cheated. okay.

mr. cosbyn october 9th and after will be our client's deposition. in general, we don't want a defendant to have an opportunity to try to tailor his testimony or be after the plaintiff's testimony, whatever she's testified to. >> with me now, defense attorney and former prosecutor randy zellen. randy, what are the possibilities? what could one hear from bill cosby because we're especially mindful because of all of these stories as gel because that judge in pennsylvania released the deposition just last month from 2005 when we heard all about the quaaludes and wanting to seduce women. >> what you could expect to hear from mr. cosby, i would imagine, is going to be a lot of i don't know and a lot more of i don't remember. from miss allred. >> remember you have two fabulous lawyers, marty singer representing cosby. and gloria allred. they don't need to watch us to get a tip. the point is you'll be getting the i don't remembers because everybody thinks what good is a i don't remember answer? number

. >> when i met mr. cosbywas on "the tonight show," i was in my dressing room, and he came up to me, zippered down his pants. >> lisa morris was an actress on "love american style," she had been a friend of bill for two and a half years before allegedly drugged in las vegas. >> he said to me, did you enjoy yourself? i said, you pig. i said, what did you give me? he said, it's called a quaalude. i bet you don't have your headache now, and he laughed. >> 35 women ranging in ages from 20s to 80s placed side by side on the cover of the new york magazine with the date of the alleged assault below. startling group together, sharing similar stories of alleged sexual assault creating an up welcomed sisterhood. >> like goose bumps, but not, like, when something is great, but shocking. >> their elegant. they are sad and thankful. >> amanda demmy shot with an empty dhar at the bottom for those who have yet to speak. >> they are all collectively, they are victims. >> speaking out are waitresses, playboy bunnies, and anoth

. >> many alleged victims have overcome their fear because they want mr. cosbye that their silence is only helping mr. cosby. >> reporter: cosby is scheduled to give a deposition for a lawsuit filed by another of allred's clients, who claims he assaulted her at the playboy mansion when she was 15 years old. cosby's deposition is scheduled for october 9th, but allred wouldn't say where that deposition will take place. carlos grande, abc news. >>> the death toll is growing in china after a string of powerful explosions ripped through a warehouse packed with hazardous materials. huge fireballs lit up the skies in the port city of tianjin, killing at least 44 people and injuring many others and a number of people are still missing. nearby buildings collapsed or went up in flames and windows were shattered miles away. >> my friend who took the video, her whole veranda, all of the sliding doors got blown in. and she was sitting on the couch watching tv at that time, she probably would have gotten hit by them. >> the most powerful explosion packed a force of 21 tons of

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